Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] Tyson Barrie (4 years, $5.5M AAV)

[Cousin Eddie]

Good deal, I would have gone with more years but this is still solid because the caphit would be much higher on a 5+ year deal.

Glad Leafs fans can stop with the Barrie to Toronto threads.

I don't think they could have just "gone" with more years. Both sides have to agree.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Well good on Colorado for getting this done! It was the right thing to do, good deal for everyone.

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

Don't argue with yourself then

Yes. Barrie elected arbitration so the Avs had the choice between one and two years. They low balled him at $4m & $4.25M over two years so Barrie went one at 6.
Not saying this is a bad deal for either side. Just that the Av's were being ***** from the start and this could have been avoided. Barrie took a little less money for longer stability. Avs are gambling that he's undervalued(and probably will be) in a couple years

This wasn't an arb's decision and usually the sides are in the ballpark(Avs weren't in my opinion). I thought Barrie would get 5.5 on a two year and was fair to ask for 6m on a one year

The avs low balled the newport(barrie) guys went way high. Just like they did with ROR. They've learned how to deal with new port with the options they had available. People said we over paid Mack. So I don't think it's all in Colorado's end that they should be labeled the bad guys. Objective thinking. You're looking through one side of the situation.

 

[HockeyFan100]

That's a Barrie good contract.

 

[Curufinwe]

Not when they're an RFA and you're buying some UFA years.

They do see how valuable it is. Doesn't mean you go and pay something like 7 million for it. Barrie elected arbitration, not the Avs. He wanted 6 million for one RFA year, anything longer and that price goes up.

Dead wrong, as I knew you would be.

Schenn asked for 5.5, took less over a 4 year term

Johansson asked for 5.25, took less over a 3 year term

Barrie asked for 6, took less over a 4 year term

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

wow what a steal

 

[dahrougem2]

Dead wrong, as I knew you would be.

Schenn asked for 5.5, took less over a 4 year term

Johansson asked for 5.25, took less over a 3 year term

Barrie asked for 6, took less over a 4 year term

Barrie and Newport asked for 6M per on a 1-year RFA deal. I'd be willing to wager that the reason Newport/Barrie agreed to 4 years and 5.5M per is because the arbitration ruling was ugly and very favourable to the Avs, most likely less than 5M per on a 2-year deal.

 

[Willy Stylez]

Good deal.

 

[slobbergob]

Dead wrong, as I knew you would be.

Schenn asked for 5.5, took less over a 4 year term

Johansson asked for 5.25, took less over a 3 year term

Barrie asked for 6, took less over a 4 year term

I would say Barrie realized the ruling was leaning more towards Avs than him.

You can paint it however you want, when you buy more years for a young player, AAV goes up. When you buy more years for an older player, AAV goes down. Or am I somehow wrong here?

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

That's a Barrie good contract.

 

[Not Sure]

Agreed. Lindholm>Barrie>Ristolainen>Trouba>Ceci is probably how the numbers will play out

Sabres want Risto locked up long term, I think most are expecting an 8 year deal somewhere around $7 aav, I personally would be very happy with 8 years at $6.

 

[LarKing]

Looks like another confirmed source.

 

[NotYou]

Fans are weird.

Player X signs a 4 year deal:
"Four years is too short of time."

Player Y signs a 7 year deal:
"Way too long, don't like that term."

(Some) people feel smarter by criticizing others. They rationalize whatever is needed to do that.

 

[Sabreality]

Sabres want Risto locked up long term, I think most are expecting an 8 year deal somewhere around $7 aav, I personally would be very happy with 8 years at $6.

well I would think 'most' is a stretch. I'd be shocked if 8yrs happened. I'm expecting 5 or 6 max.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Barrie and Newport asked for 6M per on a 1-year RFA deal. I'd be willing to wager that the reason Newport/Barrie agreed to 4 years and 5.5M per is because the arbitration ruling was ugly and very favourable to the Avs, most likely less than 5M per on a 2-year deal.

You might be right that the potential arbitration ruling may have swayed them, but one thing with arbitration is that people use the basic negotiation tactic of asking for an amount more favourable than what they actually wanted. Obviously, they still have to ask for something in the realm of reality, but wanting 5 and asking for 6 is realistic.

This deal is good for both sides. Colorado got Barrie locked up for four years, managed to buy a UFA year, and can still theoretically get a similar return for him to what they would have gotten this summer if they opt to move him in 3 years.

On the talk on why Colorado is so close to the cap, part of the reason is that their drafting wasn't great the last little while, and as a result they hadn't developed many complimentary players, so they've had to resort to UFAs (or trading for UFAs) like Soderberg, Stuart, Comeau, Iginla, Beauchemin, etc rather than promoting RFAs from within. I'm not saying all those contracts are bad, but when dealing with UFAs or pending UFAs that weren't brought along in your system, often times you have to overpay, and the odds of their being bad contracts increase.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Wait, people do realize that this is essentially the exact same deal the Avs offered Barrie before arbitration right?

Newport is known to try to take things down to the wire.

Barrie signed for what he was worth and it's fair to both sides.

 

[The Kingslayer]

A team that failed to make the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years shouldn't be that close to the cap.

This should put to rest the silly notion that the avs are cheap and dont worry when Iginla and stuart are off the books next year they will have plenty of cash.

 

[Curufinwe]

I would say Barrie realized the ruling was leaning more towards Avs than him.

You can paint it however you want, when you buy more years for a young player, AAV goes up. When you buy more years for an older player, AAV goes down. Or am I
somehow wrong here?

You were completely wrong about the AAV on a multi year deal being greater than the player's asking amount for one year in arbitration. Looking at any of the other deals signed this summer would have told you that.

 

[glovesave_35]

Four years is a pretty long time fellas...maybe some are jaded by all these 7-8 year deals being thrown around but threats of "Oh, well I wouldn't be surprised if he tests free agency as soon as this contract is up" are kind of ridiculous sounding. Sure, he may very well but he still met the club in the middle so this notion that he is depressed in Denver and can't wait to leave IN FOUR YEARS AFTER THE CONTRACT HE JUST SIGNED is up is absurd.

Yeah, I remember when 5 year contracts were considered really committing to a player.

 

[missionAvs]

Yes! So happy we got Barrie locked up!

 

[rt]

Good deal for the Avs. Too bad they couldn't get something worked out with ROR. Hopefully Zadorov turns the corner.

 

[tucker3434]

Good deal for the Avs. Too bad they couldn't get something worked out with ROR. Hopefully Zadorov turns the corner.

Us too. His advanced stats were actually pretty decent last year. Weren't bad the year before either but he was heavily sheltered. We'll see how it goes.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

Anyone want to bet that when Barrie hits UFA in 4 years, he ends up taking a contract (with COL or whoever signs him) for a lower-cap hit?

 

[Foppa2118]

Until you consider the fact they failed to pay market value and only agreed to one UFA year for their top defensemen who their coach has had had publicized issues with. I'd be surprised if Barrie didn't test free agency as soon as he could afterwards.

So glad these straight up lies won't be perpetrated much longer. Literally 0 basis for this except Bob Stauffer's imagination.

 

[Avs44]

So glad these straight up lies won't be perpetrated much longer. Literally 0 basis for this except Bob Stauffer's imagination.

Yep, thank god. Sick of seeing people tout this garbage, then turtling when called out on it. I'm sure we'll see yet another non-link provided that proves the assertation.