Confirmed with Link: [COL/NSH] Ondrej Pavel and a 3rd rd pick for Juuso Parssinen and a 7th rd pick

[Vaslof]

Means absolutely nothing. Everytime i see people on HF saying how they love/hate a trade of some super random super obscure guy, who most likely never be more than dime-a-dozen fourth-liner, i chuckle. Cause ofc, this is HF, and everyone here is f***ing expert scout and talent-evaluator. Thats why Nashville traded him for a guy that so far shown even less, cause they think he is surefire 2C. But resident experts know better.

This is not to say i would not love, if he turned out great. Just would not hold my breath.

From the user who posted this:

I dont think there are any consequences needed to be made out of Kiefer Sherwood, of all people, randomly scoring hattrick. Let me introduce you to certain Joel Kiviranta, who scored hattrick against us for Dallas couple of years ago, in the playoffs, ending our season no less. Now having him on our ranks, we can see he is not all that, yet it still happened. And we still went and won the Cup next year.

So the only conclusion to be made out of this, even career fourth-liners can randomly have a career game, when everything goes their way. If this was against any other team, i would be happy for Sherwood, as former Av.

And a few days later Joel Kiviranta scores a hattrick for us.

Anyway you aren't necessarily wrong in your argument, but here's the thing: We're here just to have fun. Chill.

 

[LTCPain75]

Means absolutely nothing. Everytime i see people on HF saying how they love/hate a trade of some super random super obscure guy, who most likely never be more than dime-a-dozen fourth-liner, i chuckle. Cause ofc, this is HF, and everyone here is f***ing expert scout and talent-evaluator. Thats why Nashville traded him for a guy that so far shown even less, cause they think he is surefire 2C. But resident experts know better.

This is not to say i would not love, if he turned out great. Just would not hold my breath.

Maybe your opinion of his opinion means diddly-squat!

 

[Spirits]

Then if Lando does come back

You still believe this is even remotely possible?

 

[Spirits]

What does that make you then? Aren't you making an analysis of the player here as well?

I won't be making any declarations on what the poster you quoted meant, but this board was overwhelmingly against the Blackwood trade until he began playing well. This board isn't known for it's accuracy or knowledge minus a select few posters.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I won't be making any declarations on what the poster you quoted meant, but this board was overwhelmingly against the Blackwood trade until he began playing well. This board isn't known for it's accuracy or knowledge minus a select few posters.

It's the internet, for crying out loud. People are going to have weird/dumb opinions and think they're smarter than they really are.

I would know as well as anyone. I do it on a daily basis.

 

[BobRossColton]

How many more rfa years does parssinen have?

 

[Pokecheque]

I can’t see the downside of this trade unless Pavel turns into some full-time NHLer annd Parssinen doesn’t. And I kinda liked Pavel.

 

[lionsDen]

It's not really about who the Avs could have drafted with the pick, but the opportunity cost. That's one less asset to spend on other deadline targets.

But seeing as Parssinen can contribute right away and also has long term upside it's a worthy gamble.

The avs identified a player that has upside, who will need time to gel. I appreciate they brought him in early. I think they can go far with this team. There aren’t many weak links. A 3rd round pick is a throw in on most trades around the deadline. Anything we get would have to be a massive upgrade which will cost the 1st‘S and highly thought of prospects. And teams are always looking for nhl bodies, I.e Ivan, kovalenkos. I’m really interested to see how the lower pairing d players look up til the deadline. That’s the only place I could see a bigger rental add.

Jmo

How many more rfa years does parssinen have?

I’d say 2 years but I’m sure I’m wrong

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Let's get this kid signed to a bridge deal quick before he shows everyone how good he can be. I think he'll be the 3C going forward.

 

[lionsDen]

I won't be making any declarations on what the poster you quoted meant, but this board was overwhelmingly against the Blackwood trade until he began playing well. This board isn't known for it's accuracy or knowledge minus a select few posters.

I was more against Gibson. I never watch hockey if it isn’t the avs. Blackwood I leaned to no but what do I know I grew up playing football and riding bulls, never played hockey

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Let's get this kid signed to a bridge deal quick before he shows everyone how good he can be. I think he'll be the 3C going forward.

5 x $5.25m?

 

[lionsDen]

5 x $5.25m?

Typical avs fans undervaluing players

 

[BobRossColton]

If he does well as 3C, bridge him, and trade out Colton, and give Drouin the Colton money?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

5 x $5.25m?

By god that's Demko money

 

[BobRossColton]

5 x $5.25m?

Missed it by 250k

 

[Miri]

What does that make you then? Aren't you making an analysis of the player here as well?

Not really, i never even heard of him, until today. Which is good enough indicator he is probably not all that. Not because i am some expert on youth development, like some of these people seem to think about themselves to be, but i am into hockey well enough to be aware of players who are either highly touted/drafted, or at very least did well enough to become familiar name.

Now, again, i would love, if he bested my expectations, and become truly great player for Avs. Just like everyone here. But really, he was 7th round pick, who did not exactly set the world alight so far, hence i am saying better temper your expectations and dont put much faith into opinions of these self-proclaimed experts.

Based on these grandiose statements, one would think we traded for a PPG player (or one with obvious pedigree to become one). Meanwhile, there were probably 100 other comparable players available like the one we got. So what is there to LOVE/HATE about it? Why such a strong words.

I am sorry if i rain on anyones parade. Obviously have fun the way you want to, whatever floats your boat and who am i to tell you otherwise. Its just me, i suppose, not much of a fan of hyperbole and generally prefer more sober, objective view of things. Leads to lesser number of disappoitments.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

If he does well as 3C, bridge him, and trade out Colton, and give Drouin the Colton money?

Excuse me sir. Have you stopped to consider my feelings? They would be hurt badly if this were to happen.

Ross Colton was never a 3C. He's a first line goal scoring winger, damnit!

 

[Miri]

From the user who posted this:


And a few days later Joel Kiviranta scores a hattrick for us.

Anyway you aren't necessarily wrong in your argument, but here's the thing: We're here just to have fun. Chill.

I really dont see how what i said above Kivi is related to this. Kivi did indeed well to score his hattrick and was generally playing well this year, but it still does not make him Rantanen Mk2.

About the chilling part, see my post above.

 

[missionAvs]

Such a sad tale that this guy will probably outperform MittelJost.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Not really, i never even heard of him, until today. Which is good enough indicator he is probably not all that. Not because i am some expert on youth development, like some of these people seem to think about themselves to be, but i am into hockey well enough to be aware of players who are either highly touted/drafted, or at very least did well enough to become familiar name.

Now, again, i would love, if he bested my expectations, and become truly great player for Avs. Just like everyone here. But really, he was 7th round pick, who did not exactly set the world alight so far, hence i am saying better temper your expectations and dont put much faith into opinions of these self-proclaimed experts.

Based on these grandiose statements, one would think we traded for a PPG player (or one with obvious pedigree to become one). Meanwhile, there were probably 100 other comparable players available like the one we got. So what is there to LOVE/HATE about it? Why such a strong words.

I am sorry if i rain on anyones parade. Obviously have fun the way you want to, whatever floats your boat and who am i to tell you otherwise. Its just me, i suppose, not much of a fan of hyperbole and generally prefer more sober, objective view of things. Leads to lesser number of disappoitments.

I think that's fine and I actually agree with your attitude on it - in fact I think it's the healthiest thing one can do because we definitely get emotionally invested in this team. Important to keep things in perspective.

But we can't be telling people that they have to feel that way too, or get annoyed/upset because they are overreacting or making insane proclamations. People love to love this team, and they are allowed to freak out about meaningless stuff and shout it into the void of the internet. It's a waste of mental and emotional energy to let it get to you.

Furthermore, I think it's a bit unreasonable to assume that it's impossible that our scouting department identified another potential gem here. They've got a pretty damn good track record of it and I think this could be no different.

Beyond that, hockey trades mid-season are just fun. It's something different to talk about. And now we have a new mystery player joining us who could solve some issues in our roster. It's fun to speculate, and this is exactly the best place for people to say out of pocket stuff.

 

[Ceremony]

We've finally found our Kadri replacement and I'll not hear otherwise.

 

[Vaslof]

Not really, i never even heard of him, until today. Which is good enough indicator he is probably not all that. Not because i am some expert on youth development, like some of these people seem to think about themselves to be, but i am into hockey well enough to be aware of players who are either highly touted/drafted, or at very least did well enough to become familiar name.

Now, again, i would love, if he bested my expectations, and become truly great player for Avs. Just like everyone here. But really, he was 7th round pick, who did not exactly set the world alight so far, hence i am saying better temper your expectations and dont put much faith into opinions of these self-proclaimed experts.

Based on these grandiose statements, one would think we traded for a PPG player (or one with obvious pedigree to become one). Meanwhile, there were probably 100 other comparable players available like the one we got. So what is there to LOVE/HATE about it? Why such a strong words.

I am sorry if i rain on anyones parade. Obviously have fun the way you want to, whatever floats your boat and who am i to tell you otherwise. Its just me, i suppose, not much of a fan of hyperbole and generally prefer more sober, objective view of things. Leads to lesser number of disappoitments.

Some of us have seen his play whether in Nashville or before the NHL. Some have probably even seen him in juniors. Sure the safe bet is to say nobody will ever make it, you'll be right most of the time. I don't think anyone has even self-proclaimed themselves to be an expert. It's just their take, based on what they've seen, based on what they know about hockey.

To be fair I suppose I can't complain too much about you hating how positive people are on the boards as I personally hate how negative some people are on the boards.

 

[EdAVSfan]

It's not really about who the Avs could have drafted with the pick, but the opportunity cost. That's one less asset to spend on other deadline targets.

But seeing as Parssinen can contribute right away and also has long term upside it's a worthy gamble.

Realistically, what would a 3rd acquire? A bottom 6 UFA. In this case, they acquire a young bottom 6 forward who already has displayed ability at the NHL, who can be retained for longer. It’s about as ideal a usage of a pick as you can do

 

[Perratrooper]

Can’t be worse than our current fourth line rotation, so even if he pans out to be a solid fourth liner I consider it a win.

 

[Hasbro]

Such a sad tail that this guy will probably outperform MittelJost.

Yeah that would be horrible!

Realistically, what would a 3rd acquire? A bottom 6 UFA. In this case, they acquire a young bottom 6 forward who already has displayed ability at the NHL, who can be retained for longer. It’s about as ideal a usage of a pick as you can do

Better odds with Parsnip than just using that 3rd and it coincides with The Window as opposed to God Knows Where this team will be in 2029.