Confirmed with Link: [COL/NSH] Ondrej Pavel and a 3rd rd pick for Juuso Parssinen and a 7th rd pick

[Foppa2118]

I'm hoping the Avs have finally found a hard working, two way guy with some puck skill, and a bit of offense, with size, for a long term 3C. Feels like Colton might be gone in the off season.

I've been waiting for this role to be sufficiently filled since Gratton's brief stint. It really solidifies the whole lineup, with this type of player in the 3C role, in a similar way that a guy like Manson does for the D core.

Now if he can turn into a face-off ace to boot, I might be in love, but that feels like fantasyland on this team.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Yes, Kadri was better. He wasn't finding himself demoted to the 4th line or losing shifts during periods.

Even during his "bad" which I consider standard 2C seasons of 19-20 and 20-21, he had SC%/HD%/xGF% of 49/48/46 and then 55/55/55.

Now go look at Mittelstadt's numbers since November 1st. They're horrific. Nowhere near Kadri's "bad" years.

So no, memories don't grow sweeter with time.

But you're comparing an entire season of kadri vs a month of mitts. Stats average out over a year, but in a month they can ebb and flow much more. Let's wait until the end of the year to compare those stats.

But if you look back to individual weeks and months when kadri struggled he was horrible. There were the typical HFAvs demands to launch him to the sun.

Mitts slump is concerning in length and depth, but nothing be can't pull himself out of and round his stats back out by years end.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

Yes, Kadri was better. He wasn't finding himself demoted to the 4th line or losing shifts during periods.

Even during his "bad" which I consider standard 2C seasons of 19-20 and 20-21, he had SC%/HD%/xGF% of 49/48/46 and then 55/55/55.

Now go look at Mittelstadt's numbers since November 1st. They're horrific. Nowhere near Kadri's "bad" years.

So no, memories don't grow sweeter with time.

Kadri was indeed demoted at the end of the 2020/21 year because he was so bad. That was also one of the easiest years the Avs have ever had, playing the same terrible teams inside their division over and over again.

 

[shadow1]

Yes, Kadri was better. He wasn't finding himself demoted to the 4th line or losing shifts during periods.

Even during his "bad" which I consider standard 2C seasons of 19-20 and 20-21, he had SC%/HD%/xGF% of 49/48/46 and then 55/55/55.

Now go look at Mittelstadt's numbers since November 1st. They're horrific. Nowhere near Kadri's "bad" years.

So no, memories don't grow sweeter with time.

Define slump? Because two months is a very long time for a slump. It's been 26 games since November 1st.

He has 10 points during this timeframe.

It's worrisome.

Kadri's finish in 2020-2021 was worse:

GP	G	A	P
26	1	6	7

And his encore was getting suspended in the second game of the playoffs.

 

[JoeSakic13]

It's so clearly persimmon and not parsnip.

 

[dahrougem2]

Kadri was indeed demoted at the end of the 2020/21 year because he was so bad. That was also one of the easiest years the Avs have ever had, playing the same terrible teams inside their division over and over again.

Kadri's finish in 2020-2021 was worse:

GP	G	A	P
26	1	6	7

And his encore was getting suspended in the second game of the playoffs.

Well f*** me sideways, pals.

 

[Balthazar]

Personally I found bad Kadri 10X more frustrating to watch than bad Mitts

 

[Perratrooper]

Parssinen noticeable in his minimal ice time?

 

[forsbergavs32]

Parssinen noticeable in his minimal ice time?

Got better as the game went on. He also started looking better when he was moved to 4C after Nuke went down and Mitts went to the 2nd line.

 

[LOFIN]

Got better as the game went on. He also started looking better when he was moved to 4C after Nuke went down and Mitts went to the 2nd line.

Preds fans said that he really looks poor at the wing compared to center.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Kadri's finish in 2020-2021 was worse:

GP	G	A	P
26	1	6	7

And his encore was getting suspended in the second game of the playoffs.

Yea, I think people forget how frustrating bad Kadri was, it’s been camouflaged by his last season and the championship glow associated with it. A good chunk of us were clamouring for a big TDL addition to get a 2C (kinda similar to this year with Mitts).

 

[Pokecheque]

Preds fans said that he really looks poor at the wing compared to center.

That’s somewhat rare with forwards IMO, the last time I remember an Avs center looking noticeably worse on the wing (and yet they kept PUTTING him there) was Steven Reinprecht. Soderberg didn’t like playing wing as I think he said he didn’t see as much of the ice due to his vision issues, but he still played the position well.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

That’s somewhat rare with forwards IMO, the last time I remember an Avs center looking noticeably worse on the wing (and yet they kept PUTTING him there) was Steven Reinprecht. Soderberg didn’t like playing wing as I think he said he didn’t see as much of the ice due to his vision issues, but he still played the position well.

Good thing Parker Kelly and Colton can easily go back to wing

 

[GirardSpinorama]

If you can find me examples of guys who couldn't produce in the NCAA, then couldn't produce in the AHL but magically found their way onto an NHL roster playing 4th line minutes and legitimately giving 15-20 points I would love to see it.

Beck Malenstyn? Essentially 4th line production in AHL. ​

 

[Pokecheque]

Beck Malenstyn? Essentially 4th line production in AHL. ​

 

[MaKarter]

Did he grow up with Mikko? I can see these two falling all over the ice together as kids.

 

[dahrougem2]

Beck Malenstyn? Essentially 4th line production in AHL. ​

So that's what we're going off of? One singular example of soon-to-be 27 year old Beck Malenstyn?

 

[Deadsy]

Did he grow up with Mikko? I can see these two falling all over the ice together as kids.

I don't think so. Mikko is 4 years and change older and came over to North America just as Juuso entered the TPS system so there likely wasn't much overlap. TPS is the main connection however, both are former TPS guys and they have done some off season training together.

 

[JoeSakic13]

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I’d like to point out that everyone laughed at this post except @Metallo who simply liked it. As if to say “hmmm yes, that do be the case.”

 

[GirardSpinorama]

So that's what we're going off of? One singular example of soon-to-be 27 year old Beck Malenstyn?

Pretty good example though and very recent. Obviously the Avs signed Pavel in the first place was because of his physical traits and not production.

 

[dahrougem2]

Pretty good example though and very recent. Obviously the Avs signed Pavel in the first place was because of his physical traits and not production.

Not a good example, actually. Even Malenstyn was able to do something in the WHL. Pavel wasn't able to do much of anything dating back to his NAHL and USHL days, then again nothing in the NCAA or in the AHL.

And if we're looking at one player to use as evidence for "see, Pavel could become this" then those odds are incredibly low.

Ondrej Pavel is a bad AHL hockey player. Nothing more.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Not a good example, actually. Even Malenstyn was able to do something in the WHL. Pavel wasn't able to do much of anything dating back to his NAHL and USHL days, then again nothing in the NCAA or in the AHL.

And if we're looking at one player to use as evidence for "see, Pavel could become this" then those odds are incredibly low.

Ondrej Pavel is a bad AHL hockey player. Nothing more.

Malenstyn didnt even get to PPG in the whl, not far off from a .5 NCAA player.

Agreed that the odds are low, its low for all AHLers. But Pavel has physical traits and a game type that coaches like, so its higher than some AHL players with meaningless production.

Cody Mcleod is another one. Career high 19 points in the AHL.

 

[Metallo]

I’d like to point out that everyone laughed at this post except @Metallo who simply liked it. As if to say “hmmm yes, that do be the case.”

Well... do you really want me to spell it out?

 

[Freaky Styley]

I'm a big fan of this trade. Pavel is a known commodity that won't be missed and you hope a 3rd roudner becomes a guy like Parssinen.

Time will tell to see the true impact on this player, but he should be here fore a couple seasons at least. I've been a fan of his for a while and was surprised to see him struggle/supplanted this year, but looking at the Preds and what's happened to their other outcasts (Fabbro, Tomasino) it was a shrewd move for CMac to be aggressive and get in while the gettin's good.