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Confirmed with Link: [Col/Chi/Car] Rantanen (50% by Chicago), Hall, Nils Juntorp to Car - Drury, Necas, 2nd, 4th to Avs, 3rd round pick to Chicago
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Which is kind of nuts, considering they’ve apparently been talking about the outline of this trade since the draft. Obviously, you don’t want to inform the player too early, because then it’ll be in their head and they won’t perform on the ice. But I’d think somewhere between “theoretical” and “actually sending the paperwork to the league”, you’d give the players a heads up.
hblueridgegal
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True. It's kind a wild that Rantanen and Necas, both said they were shocked. Sort of implies that they also aren't paying too much attention to the rumor mill. I guess JR and KK's names were out there more than others.
Pierre's recent article on The Athletic said that the Avs had recently contacted a very small list to see what their offers back could be. Sounds like they were all very discreet.
Based on the main board thread, it sounds like Svechy and Aho will have some empty net competition now.
in the press conference, tulsky was directly asked about kk and rumors initially that he was part of it. tulsky's reply was basically (after saying he wasn't going to talk about players that were not part of the deal), 'we have been in discussions for six months with no leaks, so when it started to break there were a lot of things that starting floating around that were wrong.'
whether he meant it this way or not, i 100% took it as dunking on fools for knowing nothing, then trying to make an educated guess for clicks.
Could be that. Or it could be a way of letting the players who were mentioned know that they were actually not considered in trades that that we really really want them. I think I read previously that one of the beefs Necas has had with the team is that he was included in a bunch of "almost deals" and it lead to him feeling not appreciated. Tulsky would be smart to give some plausible deniability to keep feelings from being too hurt.
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"Dudes. Someone just traded the perennial hundred-pointer Mikko Rantanen. None of you should feel safe."
FinPanda
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I think I fully jump on the Canes bandwagon. I mean I have a Aho jersey already and a Canes cap but now gonna follow the team more than ever.
WreckingCrew
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Welcome aboard, please leave your sanity and sensibilities at the front door and bring your Bojangles, BBQ recipes, sarcasm, and PTSD inside with you!
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Welcome aboard. Please report to Lempo, Chief Petty Finn, for your orders.
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Uphold status until mentioned, then go to the market place.
FinPanda
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I think I'm in the right place when a marketplace is mentioned.
bleedgreen
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I would agree he is too expensive even at Macks cap hit. Definitely for the Avs. The Canes need a guy to stick around so maybe it’s worth it.
We've seen Toronto try to navigate the Big 4 without much success.
I think this is a case of Colorado realizing an even bigger 3 wasn't going to be possible. Makar is at $9M for 2 more years, then he's up above MacKinnon.
Even if Rantanen agrees to the same contract as MacKinnon, that's $34.2M tied up in 3 players for 2 years, and then Makar probably takes that up a few million more.
LOFIN
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A common false narrative (at least IMO) with Toronto. The problem with Toronto hasn't been spending big money on 4 forwards, and not being able to assemble a team around them. The problem they've had is that those 4 star players have shrunk in the playoffs. They have not performed.
You look at the Leafs playoff exits. Their goaltending has been good enough. Their defence has been good enough. Their depth has been good enough. You know what's not good enough? The big-4 failing to score and produce in big moments.
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The problem isn’t that Toronto paid 4 players it’s the 4 players they paid
Colorado is paying a superstar Dman+ superstar C+ superstar winger. All whom are among the best playoff players in todays game
Toronto paid 4 forwards and none of them have exactly been lights out come post season. They’ve been elite during regular season the entire time the golden core has been on expensive contracts but haven’t been able to get it done when it matters. But as I said it’s not about the money, it’s about whom they gave it
& we have to be realistic and live in todays world. The Colorado players would have eaten less % from the cap than the Toronto players. Todays superstar money is 13-14 and it’s only going to go up. Makar at 9M for 2.5 more years is one of the best value contracts in the league so let’s not make it like that was a burden, it’s a contract that exactly allows you to pay another superstar player. His value is around 14M in todays game and you have him at 9M
& if Necas is as great as now all the Colorado fans suggest (replaces Rantanens production) they really aren’t going to be seeing any cap help after next year
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BB88
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How is he too expensive at that price?
With the expected cap Macks cap hit would be around 14.1M and Mikko would be at 1.5M less
If you want a superstar you have to pay them
Carolinas contract structure is pretty much set up perfectly for them to be able to pay Rantanen 12.5-13M without the depth taking a hit
There’s so much cap going off the books and the entire core is signed with under 10M contracts
hblueridgegal
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Jeff did a great job with the questions in the interview and Tulsky is as unruffled per usual. Informative chat..confirms some info that's out there with some new tidbits. Two pros.
Discusses why Taylor Hall as well.
Starts at 16:00 minutes
Discusses why Taylor Hall as well.
Starts at 16:00 minutes
zman77
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Thanks hblueridgegal for posting this Interview.
Eric is a very intelligent hard working GM.
This was a massive deal!!
I always like to play with numbers first and then see if they support narratives such as this. The question I'm asking here is in what way would Colorado have an even bigger 3 than Toronto's big 4?
IF Rantanen agreed to the same contract as MacKinnon, they would pay their top 3 players an average of 12,34% of the cap ceiling next year. In 2019-2020, (the first full year of their contracts), Toronto paid their big 4 an average of 12,42% of the cap ceiling.
Fastforward to this season, with Toronto paying their big 4 an average of 13,25% of the current cap ceiling. IF Rantanen agreed to the same contract as MacKinnon, they could pay Makar $14,5M in two years time and still be under that percentage against a cap ceiling of $100M. And that's just a random low estimate for the cap ceiling in the future. There have been talks of a cap ceiling of even $110M in two years time, which would make the average percentage of Colorado´s big 3 smaller than Toronto´s big 4 this season even with $18M+ contract for Makar.
Now, I'm not saying that Colorado should have given Rantanen the same contract as MacKinnon or that it was a mistake to let him go. I'm just saying that the numbers were in no way impossible nor unfair ($12,5M contract for Rantanen would be the same percentage as Nylander and Pastrnak).
To me, it seems more like the Avs front office wanted either a super team-friendly deal or we're always ready to use Rantanen as a trade chip for multiple reasons: difficult contract negotiations, a possibility for a change, more leverage in the market etc.
behemolari
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Thanks for posting.
The elephant in the room is whether in the future at $100M & above, teams outside of Rangers, Toronto and perhaps a few other high revenue cities will continue to spend to the cap (cap may outstrip their market's revenue capability)
TheReelChuckFletcher
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It depends on how quickly it climbs. I would still expect that all teams that are top-tier contenders, such as the Hurricanes, will continue to spend to the cap, but maybe teams that are muddling in the playoff bubble will not.
Svechhammer
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WreckingCrew
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In all fairness he isn't bad in the d-zone, it's the o-zone turnovers with nobody behind him to stop his mistakes that are where he failed
tarheelhockey
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That and also most of the league has a looser definition of “defensively responsible” than the Canes do.
