One interesting thing about Rolston is that Chicago was one of the few teams we leapfrogged when we traded up for him. And I doubt you do that in the 5th for so few spots unless you have some kind of intel.....
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One interesting thing about Rolston is that Chicago was one of the few teams we leapfrogged when we traded up for him. And I doubt you do that in the 5th for so few spots unless you have some kind of intel.....
Meh, my opinion is from the fact that last playoffs when we really needed him he was terrible and I don't think he was injured either. However, I do like this move because he's big, competitive, and has a good scoring touch. I do think Avs should've been harder after somebody younger and somebody with a better defensive game *cough*Faksa, but it is what it is considering there was zero centre depth this TDL.
- Drafted Josh Anderson in the 3rd round
- Drafted overager Brandon Saigeon in the 5th round (now playing Usports a year after a below year in the ECHL)
- Drafted Matthew Stienburg in the 3rd round (over Zac Jones who was five picks later)
- Traded two picks to move up to select Ryder Rolston (who they then traded today)
This also doesn't include Stephen Silas, which was a product of moving two separate picks too, but that was with another head scout in charge. I can handle mispicks because it's hard to find NHL talent, but some of these moves are confusing AF. Anderson and Saigeon most notably, but we can add Rolston to the list.
There's something strange going on with our amateur scouts because they've been making some dumb moves lately. I don't know if it's Hepple panicking on the draft floor, but since 2016 they've...
- Drafted Josh Anderson in the 3rd round
- Drafted overager Brandon Saigeon in the 5th round (now playing Usports a year after a below year in the ECHL)
- Drafted Matthew Stienburg in the 3rd round (over Zac Jones who was five picks later)
- Traded two picks to move up to select Ryder Rolston (who they then traded today)
This also doesn't include Stephen Silas, which was a product of moving two separate picks too, but that was with another head scout in charge. I can handle mispicks because it's hard to find NHL talent, but some of these moves are confusing AF. Anderson and Saigeon most notably, but we can add Rolston to the list.
Flanagan
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I remember thinking that his lack of playoff production part of the reason he was traded away in the first place. Funny that we acquire him again for a playoff run.
Bill Peckerskull
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IDK about a "home run acquisition" but I was hoping for maybe a little younger, better players than they got. I get it, the cost was probably too high, and it makes sense in the cap era not to throw away 1st rounders and top prospects, but Wood, Oleksiak, Bernier, Laughton, all move the needle more for me than what Joe got. I was also hoping that one of JTC or Graves would be moved for a better option.
I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, however. The team is already one of the top 3-4 in the entire league, and they didn't need a home run trade to get them over the hump.
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Especially a shortened season having an already stacked team while needing to consider the expansion draft and dealing with a flat cap. These moves were the exact right thing to do. Doesn't guarantee us the cup but it is a buffer for injury concerns.
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Rolston was probably our most tradeable prospects. We have many guys who are better than him in that tier of prospects, including Kovalenko, Stienburg, Mutala, Weiss, Beaucage, Ambrosio, etc. I'd even probably trade Rolston before Nils Aman even though I don't care much for Aman given how shallow we are at C compared to wingers. Zero loss here.
The only annoying thing with Rolston is that the Avs traded up for him, so it effectively cost a 5th + 6th to get Soderberg. But that's a sunk cost and you can only operate in today's currency. Still feels annoying that our scouts passed on guys like Isaac Phillips who went 2 picks after Rolston, because that would have been a more high-upside pick there.
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Nuke-Carl-LOC could be a damn good line...
[QUOTE="S E P H, post: 177281940, member: 99543"There's something strange going on with our amateur scouts because they've been making some dumb moves lately. I don't know if it's Hepple panicking on the draft floor, but since 2016 they've...
- Drafted Josh Anderson in the 3rd round
- Drafted overager Brandon Saigeon in the 5th round (now playing Usports a year after a below year in the ECHL)
- Drafted Matthew Stienburg in the 3rd round (over Zac Jones who was five picks later)
- Traded two picks to move up to select Ryder Rolston (who they then traded today)[/QUOTE]
I agree with the scouting. One thing stood out to me when they showed the wee film after the 2019 draft: When Hepple and Joe were talking at the table about Stienberg, Hepple said "I caught him with a bit of skill". Granted, that's without any context, but still: That's the first pick of the 3rd round? I understand such a comment about a pick in the latter rounds, but at #63, really?
That's also when Hepple openly stated they had "been pounded at the draft table" and I believe we were rumoured to pick Alexandrov, who was picked at #62. but isn't that why you have your draft list ready at the table? I understand it can get a bit fluent it the latter rounds, but again, at pick #63? The 63rd pick would normally be where on the list for the team with that selection? Anywhere between 25-40-ish? I'm generally quite perplexed about what the Avs scouting staff does anywhere outside the 1st round, which is one of the reasons why I never had any problems with Joe using all those 2nds to get Grubauer, Burakovsky and Toews, despite being a draft nut after all these futile years following the Avs. Ended the rant with some damn positivity
- Drafted Josh Anderson in the 3rd round
- Drafted overager Brandon Saigeon in the 5th round (now playing Usports a year after a below year in the ECHL)
- Drafted Matthew Stienburg in the 3rd round (over Zac Jones who was five picks later)
- Traded two picks to move up to select Ryder Rolston (who they then traded today)[/QUOTE]
I agree with the scouting. One thing stood out to me when they showed the wee film after the 2019 draft: When Hepple and Joe were talking at the table about Stienberg, Hepple said "I caught him with a bit of skill". Granted, that's without any context, but still: That's the first pick of the 3rd round? I understand such a comment about a pick in the latter rounds, but at #63, really?
That's also when Hepple openly stated they had "been pounded at the draft table" and I believe we were rumoured to pick Alexandrov, who was picked at #62. but isn't that why you have your draft list ready at the table? I understand it can get a bit fluent it the latter rounds, but again, at pick #63? The 63rd pick would normally be where on the list for the team with that selection? Anywhere between 25-40-ish? I'm generally quite perplexed about what the Avs scouting staff does anywhere outside the 1st round, which is one of the reasons why I never had any problems with Joe using all those 2nds to get Grubauer, Burakovsky and Toews, despite being a draft nut after all these futile years following the Avs. Ended the rant with some damn positivity
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It's a boring move, but a move the Avs needed to make.
Calvert and O'Connor are missing in action. Though I like the jam Liam O'Brien brings to the line-up, the Avs are an injury away from both he and Kiefer Sherwood being in the line-up to start the playoffs.
Soderberg was a big part of the Avs returning from the dead in 2018, as was Patrik Nemeth. I hope they can both win cups here.
Calvert and O'Connor are missing in action. Though I like the jam Liam O'Brien brings to the line-up, the Avs are an injury away from both he and Kiefer Sherwood being in the line-up to start the playoffs.
Soderberg was a big part of the Avs returning from the dead in 2018, as was Patrik Nemeth. I hope they can both win cups here.
His caphit at almost 5 million at the time is why we traded him away.
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Richard88
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Completely agree. Under the circumstances of the expansion draft and limited amount of players available it made sense to take the approach Sakic did.
The drafting is indeed perplexing. If Rolston was such a good prospect that they felt they had to trade up for him, why give him away so cheaply? I suppose it's better than giving away another pick though. But here it's like giving away a 5th and 6th from the 2020 draft, which is just poor asset management that a team like the Avs who likely won't have many picks can't afford to do too many times.
By trading Rolston (2020 5th + 6th) along with the 4th, 5th, and 6th for Nemeth/Dubnyk/Johansson the Avs effectively traded an entire draft outside of the first 2 rounds. Granted there's value in some of those trades, but if they keep doing this every year mistakes like Rolston for a 5th + 6th will hurt them in the long run.
That all said, I'm glad we're picking holes in minor trades like this, rather than having to convince ourselves that Mantha is worth a 1st + 2nd + top 6 forward + bottom 6 forward lol.
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I don’t understand the bashing Soda receives for the 2019 playoffs when he had a bad concussion late in the season.
I’m looking forward to his heavy game and stoic face on the 3rd line. He could be a monster with Nuke.
I’m looking forward to his heavy game and stoic face on the 3rd line. He could be a monster with Nuke.
Richard88
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Yeah, Sakic clearly wanted the capspace to try to make a run at Panarin, along with the pick to use in the Burakovsky trade.
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I stand by that the Avs scouts just are not very good past their first ~40 players. I hope it is getting better, but just need to see more quality in the later rounds. Nils Aman was a worse pick than Rolston, and I'd argue by a pretty large amount. Seems the scouts are always good for 1 or 2 big stinkers a year, and that hurts the draft from the start... then add in they haven't been finding gems anyway and it gets pretty bad. Again, I hope it is getting better and there are some signs it might be... I still just hate these Aman, Saigeon, Stienburg, Anderson, etc sorts.
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one time in training camp Soderberg missed an open net from like 4 feet away and the whole team laughed at him
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He felt betrayed. And the worst part of it all. He never saw it coming.
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I don't think the Rolston move is a head-scratcher. Had a pretty good D-1 year, but never made any progress in his actual draft year, I can see why they traded up for him. But it's not too different, Scouting departments make wrong decisions all the time. Ottawa deemed Bowers expendable over Formenton and Batherson in the same draft, even though Bowers was their 1st rounder. Sometimes you draft them and hope you see some progress, but other prospects end up impressing more.
However, I agree with the odd picks like Steinburg and Anderson, those are complete whiffs and everyone knew they were going to bust the second they were drafted.
I’m fine with this move. Adds some insurance depth and another net-front guy for the power play. Unlike Kadri, Soda is actually a good bumper-type guy.
I wish Carl was just a few years younger, I love the man and would love to see him get a cup here, but 29-30 year old Carl + Nuke would be absolute hell on the ice.
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