Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[expatriatedtexan]

Screw Mikko, just move on Avs. This contract he's going to get is going to be a disaster for someone. If he really got Drai money man that comparison going forward is going to look insanely bad.

Damn straight. If Mikko was part of the solution he would have wanted to drive the second line to help the team.

I refuse to believe there is a winger in the world that deserves to play with MacKinnon and make equal money. I'm thinking there was one person only responsible for this shit. I can't imagine Andy Scott or Octagon being stupid enough to not see the writing on the wall. The fact that Mikko hasn't fired his agent yet, tells me this is what he wanted.

I'm going to miss him, but I'm not going to be longing for him or loosing any sleep over the fact he could be playing for Dallas. The dude already peaked and is on the down-side. I want to see him play against MacKinnon and Makar. He's going to get f***ed everywhich way but loose.

 

[DrunkTurtle]

Once again, depends on what they get back. Because they were trading Necas regardless at some point. He was never going to re-sign there.

The Canes won't be getting anything close to what they gave up. A guy 11th in league scoring, Drury and picks.

That's a massive package even for someone with term, for a pending UFA it's one of biggest offers ever. Typically it's a 1st and some pieces.

 

[BobRossColton]

Did Drury play 4C for the canes? Is that why some here insist on him being 4C here too?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Did Drury play 4C for the canes? Is that why some here insist on him being 4C here too?

I believe CMac stated he brought him in here to be our 3C.

But Bednar apparently talks to his GM about as frequently as he talks to his trainers.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Would Nashville be a potential player for Rantanen? Maybe something with Forsberg and ROR if they want to pivot from their current course? Not sure about NMCs. Maybe they waive anyway?

 

[LTCPain75]

Mikko Rantanen's future plans reportedly revealed as he doesn't want to sign in Carolina

Not only has there been buzz that the Hurricanes could potentially flip the pending UFA in the coming weeks, but now, it appears as though Rantanen doesn't see his future in Carolina either.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Would Nashville be a potential player for Rantanen? Maybe something with Forsberg and ROR if they want to pivot from their current course? Not sure about NMCs. Maybe they waive anyway?

I feel like they are one of the least likely teams to be involved. They're far out of a playoff spot and will be sellers. Rantanen won't sign there either

 

[AvsCOL]

I don’t really understand NTCs but is there a chance the Avs could move on from Wood or Colton? I’m sure this horse has been beat to death, but how could they pull it off?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I don’t really understand NTCs but is there a chance the Avs could move on from Wood or Colton? I’m sure this horse has been beat to death, but how could they pull it off?

Yes, and I suspect it won't even be that difficult either. It won't happen until the summer though.

 

[Bender]

Did Drury play 4C for the canes? Is that why some here insist on him being 4C here too?

I think he was 'stuck' behind Jordan Staal as the 4C since Staal has been their perennial 3C since forever now.

I really dont think they knew what they had. He's been awesome for the Avs. I don't care if he 'only' provides Stephane Yelle type production - his two-way game is fantastic.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

It's kind of wild how the tables have turned in terms of the public perception of the Rantanen/Necas swap. I'm sure it will change again and possibly quickly, but damn!

 

[22FUTON9]

It's kind of wild how the tables have turned in terms of the public perception of the Rantanen/Necas swap. I'm sure it will change again and possibly quickly, but damn!

Necas is going to ask for 12 million and we’re gonna do this all over again

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Necas is going to ask for 12 million and we’re gonna do this all over again

I'm way more comfortable paying Necas 12m than Rantanen. He's 2 years younger and hasn't mailed it in yet lol

 

[EdAVSfan]

I'm way more comfortable paying Necas 12m than Rantanen. He's 2 years younger and hasn't mailed it in yet lol

It’s the play driving for me.

Rantanen likely produces more as an AAV than Necas will as an Av (maybe not), but the substantial difference seems to be that Necas can drive play by himself.

Makes him far more useful and far more helpful with roster building.

 

[LOFIN]

It’s the play driving for me.

Rantanen likely produces more as an AAV than Necas will as an Av (maybe not), but the substantial difference seems to be that Necas can drive play by himself.

Makes him far more useful and far more helpful with roster building.

Should we actually wait to see Necas drive his line before talking about it? I mean yeah, he seems capable of doing it, but if Bednar is simply not going to separate him and MacKinnon it's kind of a moot point.

As long as he produces, we should be good. But his next contract could be expensive. Good thing is, with his skating, he's going to age pretty well I think.

 

[missionAvs]

Maybe no-one, but to suggest he's going to Klingberg himself is a bit of a stretch...

People have seen Rantanen play in this league for 9 seasons. And anyone suggesting he has been a product of MacKinnon during all that time is crazy.

I don't think I've seen anyone claim that Rants has been a product of MacK for his whole career. People are saying that he's been a product of MacK for the past 2.5 seasons post the cup run. I definitely think that earlier on, Rants was a gamer in his own right but lately he's often times left the impression of an uber talented player coasting and riding the coattails of a better teammate.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Should we actually wait to see Necas drive his line before talking about it? I mean yeah, he seems capable of doing it, but if Bednar is simply not going to separate him and MacKinnon it's kind of a moot point.

As long as he produces, we should be good. But his next contract could be expensive. Good thing is, with his skating, he's going to age pretty well I think.

No we don’t need to. He has a history of doing it. He did it Carolina, he’s demonstrating it here at an even higher level.
And yes it does matter. Because Bednar isn’t going to be here forever.
Not only that, but if Mack ever has an injury, we have Necas who is able to still carry the puck, effectively gain entry. That drives play and offense. Does it automatically translate to goals? No not necessarily. But it generates the potential for more offense.

 

[LOFIN]

No we don’t need to. He has a history of doing it. He did it Carolina, he’s demonstrating it here at an even higher level.
And yes it does matter. Because Bednar isn’t going to be here forever.
Not only that, but if Mack ever has an injury, we have Necas who is able to still carry the puck, effectively gain entry. That drives play and offense. Does it automatically translate to goals? No not necessarily. But it generates the potential for more offense.

Rantanen also had a history of doing it, then it stopped during the last two years.

While I'm not expecting Necas to stop now, I still want to see it. I'm just not expecting to see it under Bednar, neither the Necas at #2C experiment. I'd love to, but not happening.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

The Canes won't be getting anything close to what they gave up. A guy 11th in league scoring, Drury and picks.

That's a massive package even for someone with term, for a pending UFA it's one of biggest offers ever. Typically it's a 1st and some pieces.

Thus, why I think they'll keep him, and try till July 1 to sign him.

 

[LOFIN]

The Canes won't be getting anything close to what they gave up. A guy 11th in league scoring, Drury and picks.

Let's stop pretending that's what Necas's value was, ok? He had never been a PPG player before this season. And even this season, it was mostly his hot start. He had 37 points in 24 games up until the start of December. Since then, up until the trade, he had 18 points in 25 games. 0.72 PPG, which is his career average.

Now I think we all see the potential of him blowing up in Colorado system and playing with Nate and Cale, but I think it's a bit disingenuous to call him the 11th highest scorer in the league, because that's not what he had been outside of the first 1.5 months of this current season.

Still a hefty price no doubt, but like I also said, the Canes were not keeping him. It seems that it was either going to be Necas for Mikko or Necas for Elias Pettersson.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Let's stop pretending that's what Necas's value was, ok?

What the f*** are you talking about? That's exactly what his value was and is. He's CURRENTLY 11th in league scoring.

Did you know he was the Canes leading scorer 2 seasons ago? Last year he got dropped off the top PP unit (despite having the most PP points) because the Canes were trying to sabotage his contract demands?

It's the opposite of disingenuous to call him the 11th highest scorer in the league right now. It's actually just a fact. What in the f***?

 

[EdAVSfan]

Rantanen also had a history of doing it, then it stopped during the last two years.

While I'm not expecting Necas to stop now, I still want to see it. I'm just not expecting to see it under Bednar, neither the Necas at #2C experiment. I'd love to, but not happening.

But this is the point I’m making. Necas is demonstrating it now. I’m not suggesting he will do it forever. He could completely fall off a year or 3 from now.
But the point is, he’s doing it now. Rantanen stopped doing it for over a year and a half now.

So for at least the short term, Necas provides more flexibility building out the roster because of his style of play.

 

[LOFIN]

What the f*** are you talking about? That's exactly what his value was and is. He's CURRENTLY 11th in league scoring.

Did you know he was the Canes leading scorer 2 seasons ago? Last year he got dropped off the top PP unit (despite having the most PP points) because the Canes were trying to sabotage his contract demands?

It's the opposite of disingenuous to call him the 11th highest scorer in the league right now. It's actually just a fact. What in the f***?

Let me rephrase. His value should not really be looked at through the lense of him being 11th in league scoring, because that's not what he has been historically and that's not what he was outside of the first 1.5 months. Like I said, since December 1st up until his trade, he was 86th in league scoring, scoring at the same rate he had been during previous seasons. His position was inflated with the hot start, which likely wasn't going to happen again in Carolina. With us it might, and we all hope it does. Looks good so far.

We are all seeing Necas looking great, and thinking "That's what Carolina gave up? They are insane!". But they saw how Necas was with them for the last 6 years. A good player, but not a game breaker or a real line driver.

But this is the point I’m making. Necas is demonstrating it now. I’m not suggesting he will do it forever. He could completely fall off a year or 3 from now.
But the point is, he’s doing it now. Rantanen stopped doing it for over a year and a half now.

So for at least the short term, Necas provides more flexibility building out the roster because of his style of play.

In theory, yeah I guess. I just have a hard time us seeing that in action. Honestly, I believe there is actually much more to get out of this roster, but we don't because of Bednar's stubbornness. And I'm not talking about tactics here, just simple line deployment. When Nuke comes back, we could spread the wealth with Necas. Pärssinen deserves more ice time etc.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Let me rephrase. His value should not really be looked at through the lense of him being 11th in league scoring, because that's not what he has been historically and that's not what he was outside of the first 1.5 months. Like I said, since December 1st up until his trade, he was 86th in league scoring, scoring at the same rate he had been during previous seasons. His position was inflated with the hot start, which likely wasn't going to happen again in Carolina. With us it might, and we all hope it does. Looks good so far.

Let ME rephrase: I understood your logic initially and I still disagree with it wholeheartedly.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

We are all seeing Necas looking great, and thinking "That's what Carolina gave up? They are insane!". But they saw how Necas was with them for the last 6 years. A good player, but not a game breaker or a real line driver.

Who can be a game breaker in Carolina’s awful style under Brindamour?

Even Aho has never hit 90 points in a season.

Necas is finally in a free-wheeling style that lets him use his speed and awesome puck skills. There’s no reason to believe this isn’t the version we will get for a few years.