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Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

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The Abusement Park said:
Yeah I think a bit part of the struggles the Avs have had is losing that zone entry ability that's so necessary in Bednars system. Nuke is decent at it, but probably shouldn't be the focal point of zone entries and same with Drouin. Lehky is awesome and a great compliment in the top 6, but play driving and zone entries aren't really his strength. It used to be wave after wave of pressure with the Avs because every line had at least one guy who was decent and zone entries and one guy that was great at them. And for whatever reason post cup win they shied away from that and went for more meat and potato guys who could skate well but couldn't handle the puck for shit. And it seems to have a trickle down effect everywhere.

And I think that's why the Avs numbers defensively in the zone are actually quite similar to what they have been over the last ~7 years but the results seem worse because we aren't sustaining pressure in the O Zone anywhere near as much as we used to. Our defense has never necessarily been elite at true "meat and potatoes" defense, but we had some of the best puck moving dmen in the league getting the puck to some of the best transition forwards in the game. So every time we got the puck it almost always turned into an offensive chance or O zone pressure. We still have roughly the same transition defense ability but the zone entry and transition ability of the offense has become incredibly top heavy and I think we're seeing with Necas just how important the transition game is for Bednar and his system.
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Totally agree with all of this.

Especially how the Avs zone entires and rush attack game, would lead to sustained O zone time, and in turn, benefit them defensively. A lot like how Girard's transition game benefits his defensive metrics.

It gave teams fits, because they knew what the Avs were doing, but they did it so well, they still couldn't beat that system. Avs need to make a smart forward addition or two to try and get back to that.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
Totally agree with all of this.

Especially how the Avs zone entires and rush attack game, would lead to sustained O zone time, and in turn, benefit them defensively. A lot like how Girard's transition game benefits his defensive metrics.

It gave teams fits, because they knew what the Avs were doing, but they did it so well, they still couldn't beat that system. Avs need to make a smart forward addition or two to try and get back to that.
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People think rush offense dries up in the playoffs. Ours sure didn't.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
Totally agree with all of this.

Especially how the Avs zone entires and rush attack game, would lead to sustained O zone time, and in turn, benefit them defensively. A lot like how Girard's transition game benefits his defensive metrics.

It gave teams fits, because they knew what the Avs were doing, but they did it so well, they still couldn't beat that system. Avs need to make a smart forward addition or two to try and get back to that.
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I think it is a very Graves mistake to think the Avs are good at zone entries because they have three of the best on their team. MacKinnon, Necas and Makar all play on the same line. That line is ungodly at creating chances on quick turnovers and zone entry rushes.

The rest of the team? Oh sure, they enter the zone...but the do absolutely nothing once that's been accomplished. They either turn it over right at the blue line after entering, or they push it deep and then just rush for a change. I've yet to see a strategy involving our bottom lines doing anything other than trying to tread water in over two years. Bednar is not teaching identies to lines, he's only concentrating on the next men up for his top unit. Please tell me I'm wrong and show me how he's doing something else with his roster. I don't like feeling this way about the guy. He's freaking won at every level possible, but somehow appears to be daft to me in his personel decisions and dedication to training and using a 4 line roster.
 
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I actually had a theory that sucking at FOs actually benefited the team in some ways. Give the puck away, get the other team thinking offensively, get it back and counter punch while they're all skating in the wrong direction.

Situationally it's definitely important though.
 
CobraAcesS said:
I actually had a theory that sucking at FOs actually benefited the team in some ways. Give the puck away, get the other team thinking offensively, get it back and counter punch while they're all skating in the wrong direction.

Situationally it's definitely important though.
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I've always associated it with a loser's mentality. They just don't want the puck enough.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I think it is a very Graves mistake to think the Avs are good at zone entries because they have three of the best on their team. MacKinnon, Necas and Makar all play on the same line. That line is ungodly at creating chances on quick turnovers and zone entry rushes.

The rest of the team? Oh sure, they enter the zone...but the do absolutely nothing once that's been accomplished. They either turn it over right at the blue line after entering, or they push it deep and then just rush for a change. I've yet to see a strategy involving our bottom lines doing anything other than trying to tread water in over two years. Bednar is not teaching identies to lines, he's only concentrating on the next men up for his top unit. Please tell me I'm wrong and show me how he's doing something else with his roster. I don't like feeling this way about the guy. He's freaking won at every level possible, but somehow appears to be daft to me in his personel decisions and dedication to training and using a 4 line roster.
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I think it's just a personnel issue, which is why Necas can help a lot.

In that Cup run they had Nate for zone entires on the top line, while Mikko was ok at it. Then they had another zone entry specialist in Burakovksy on the second line, while Kadri was ok at it too. Then the third line, Compher was ok at it. NAK might have been decent too, can't remember. Then the 4th line, I don't know what his metrics are, but I feel like LOC is solid at zone entires, and also that line with Cogs and Helm was so fast on the forecheck, it basically accomplished the same thing.

That's why they could roll 4 lines that would visible frustrate teams, and keep the pressure on them all game. The tiniest of puck mistake, and the opposition would be on their heels trying to prevent a good scoring chance.

Now they have the potential for two lines again with Necas. Especially if they can find a quicker goal scoring 2C. Perhaps 3 lines if Drury can be solid at it like Compher, and someone like Landy can help him.

Not quite the level it was for the Cup run for zone entires/rush attacks, but a lot closer than they have been recently.

Oh and I see what you did there with the mistake. :laugh:
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I think it is a very Graves mistake to think the Avs are good at zone entries because they have three of the best on their team. MacKinnon, Necas and Makar all play on the same line. That line is ungodly at creating chances on quick turnovers and zone entry rushes.

The rest of the team? Oh sure, they enter the zone...but the do absolutely nothing once that's been accomplished. They either turn it over right at the blue line after entering, or they push it deep and then just rush for a change. I've yet to see a strategy involving our bottom lines doing anything other than trying to tread water in over two years. Bednar is not teaching identies to lines, he's only concentrating on the next men up for his top unit. Please tell me I'm wrong and show me how he's doing something else with his roster. I don't like feeling this way about the guy. He's freaking won at every level possible, but somehow appears to be daft to me in his personel decisions and dedication to training and using a 4 line roster.
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Shut your mouth! You dare speak his name with your unworthy lips, you dare besmirch it with your Vancouverite's tongue, you dare
 
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BobRossColton said:
Dnvr crew has a video about is winning the trade but they also acknowledge it's only been 8 games.

I think we win this the moment we find out Mikko's new contract.
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I appreciate you having the common decency to not post a link.

I'm not being sarcastic. The less I see those f***ers being plastered around like they have any knowledge or sources the better. Eric's old man would kick the shit out of him for what he's doing these days.

Tommy Shelby said:
Weren't these the same guys quivering in despair when the trade was announced?
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Yep. Idiots. Everyone single one of them.
DNVR stand for Derranged Narrations of Various Recreations.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I appreciate you having the common decency to not post a link.

I'm not being sarcastic. The less I see those f***ers being plastered around like they have any knowledge or sources the better. Eric's old man would kick the shit out of him for what he's doing these days.


Yep. Idiots. Everyone single one of them.
DNVR stand for Derranged Narrations of Various Recreations.
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LOL 🔥
 
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