Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Folks, if someone is coming in your forum to troll please just report and not feed the trolls. It’s just more stuff that needs to be cleaned up. I appreciate it. Thanks!

ok...

 

[Foppa2118]

Why would it be a slap in the face? He would be the highest paid winger in hockey unless Marner beat him out this Summer, which is perfectly ok.

The cap rising IMO doesn't necessitate having to pay guys more than they are worth.

Because Panarin signed 6 years ago with an AAV of $11,642,857 under an $81.5M cap. This was 14.29% of the cap.

Alan Walsh thinks the cap could go up to $97M next season and $105M in two years.

14.29% of $97M is $13,861,300.

Offering more than $2M less than that is a bit disingenuous, if you're claiming you were willing to make Mikko the highest paid winger.

$11.75M would be 12.11% of a $97M cap. Big difference from Panarin's 14.29%.

$12.6M would be 12.99% of a $97M cap. This would have been perfectly reasonable and it sounds like Mikko was willing to take it.

Especially when Nate signed for $12.6M, it was a much bigger percentage of the cap at 15.09%.

 

[Foppa2118]

Even Pastrnak signed for less than Panarin even though he signed 4 years after and with a salary cap that was 2M higher.

There are so few wingers that are in the Pastrnak/Rantanen/Marner etc tier. That’s why to me, it’s illogical to say that they all need to be around the same cap %.

Pasta signed his $11.25M deal under an $83.5M cap. This was 13.47% of the cap.

If Walsh is correct and the cap goes up to $97M, then 13.47% of that would be $13,065,900.

You could shave about half a million off that and get to $12.6M. This would be a lesser contract in terms of percentage than Panarin, Pasta, Nylander, EP, and soon to be Marner, Kaprizov, and probably others.

Nylander got 13.07% of the cap. EP got 13.18%. Mikko is better than both.

 

[dahrougem2]

Because Panarin signed 6 years ago with an AAV of $11,642,857 under an $81.5M cap. This was 14.29% of the cap.

Alan Walsh thinks the cap could go up to $97M next season and $105M in two years.

14.29% of $97M is $13,861,300.

Offering more than $2M less than that is a bit disingenuous, if you're claiming you were willing to make Mikko the highest paid winger.

$11.75M would be 12.11% of a $97M cap. Big difference from Panarin's 14.29%.

$12.6M would be 12.99% of a $97M cap. This would have been perfectly reasonable and it sounds like Mikko was willing to take it.

Especially when Nate signed for $12.6M, it was a much bigger percentage of the cap at 15.09%.

Meh, I don't see it as a slap in the face. Especially when we know how much CMac values analytics, and the numbers paint Mikko sans Nate in not the greatest light.

You just cannot justify paying the guy more than the reported 11.75M if he can't drive his own line.

 

[Pokecheque]

Horror movie discussion!?

(Okay, okay...calm down @shadow1...breathe...)

I think there are a lot of new horror movies that are good-to-very good. Off the top of my head, Barbarian (2022), Smile (2022), and The Invisible Man (2020) were all effectively scary without making you lose your lunch (some gore, but nothing excessive). Going back a little further, It Follows (2014) is a stone cold classic.

Anyway... go Avs!

I'm not a horror fan per se, but It Follows was f***in' great.

Midsommar was phenomenal as well but maaaaaan I was so drained after watching it.

 

[Foppa2118]

What possible risks and benefits/real world consequences would CMac and the Avs have from engaging in that honest conversation with Mikko?

If they were actually interested in signing him, they could have gotten closer to each other's numbers with an honest conversation.

The approach they took, meant they were playing hardball with a lower number, which meant Mikko's agent needed to play hardball with a higher number.

This may have resulted in the Avs thinking Mikko wouldn't sign for less than $13M+. Which sounds like it wasn't true, Mikko said he didn't need more than Nate at $12.6M.

But I'm not really convinced the Avs honestly wanted to re-sign him. I think they might have already decided they'd use his cap hit to spread around the lineup. Which arguably makes sense, especially given Cale's pending raise.

In which case, an honest conversation would have been about giving a core player and fan favorite, who had been with your team though thick and thin for 10 years, and helped you win a Cup, the respect he deserves IMO.

 

[LOFIN]

Meh, I don't see it as a slap in the face. Especially when we know how much CMac values analytics, and the numbers paint Mikko sans Nate in not the greatest light.

You just cannot justify paying the guy more than the reported 11.75M if he can't drive his own line.

Two things can be true. The 11.75 offer can be seen disrespectful when put into league wide context of the winger market. And it can also make sense for the Avs not wanting to go over that number.

 

[CobraAcesS]

If they were actually interested in signing him, they could have gotten closer to each other's numbers with an honest conversation.

The approach they took, meant they were playing hardball with a lower number, which meant Mikko's agent needed to play hardball with a higher number.

This may have resulted in the Avs thinking Mikko wouldn't sign for less than $13M+. Which sounds like it wasn't true, Mikko said he didn't need more than Nate at $12.6M.

But I'm not really convinced the Avs honestly wanted to re-sign him. I think they might have already decided they'd use his cap hit to spread around the lineup. Which arguably makes sense, especially given Cale's pending raise.

In which case, an honest conversation would have been about giving a core player and fan favorite, who had been with your team though thick and thin for 10 years, and helped you win a Cup, the respect he deserves IMO.

How about giving the crest the respect it deserves and moving his f***in feet.

If he'd have continued to be able to pace Mack on or off his line I bet they'd have gave him 12.6M.

Alas he did not. I'm actually inclined to believe the idea they really didn't want to give him even 11.75. I didn't want to.

 

[Alienblood]

Because Panarin signed 6 years ago with an AAV of $11,642,857 under an $81.5M cap. This was 14.29% of the cap.

Alan Walsh thinks the cap could go up to $97M next season and $105M in two years.

14.29% of $97M is $13,861,300.

Offering more than $2M less than that is a bit disingenuous, if you're claiming you were willing to make Mikko the highest paid winger.

$11.75M would be 12.11% of a $97M cap. Big difference from Panarin's 14.29%.

$12.6M would be 12.99% of a $97M cap. This would have been perfectly reasonable and it sounds like Mikko was willing to take it.

Especially when Nate signed for $12.6M, it was a much bigger percentage of the cap at 15.09%.

Sometimes you have to go by a players worth and not that % of the cap crap.

I applaud the Avs , Lightning ,Bruins and such for sticking to their convictions. Somethings Leaf fans should hope their team would do

 

[wayninja]

Because Panarin signed 6 years ago with an AAV of $11,642,857 under an $81.5M cap. This was 14.29% of the cap.

Alan Walsh thinks the cap could go up to $97M next season and $105M in two years.

14.29% of $97M is $13,861,300.

Offering more than $2M less than that is a bit disingenuous, if you're claiming you were willing to make Mikko the highest paid winger.

$11.75M would be 12.11% of a $97M cap. Big difference from Panarin's 14.29%.

$12.6M would be 12.99% of a $97M cap. This would have been perfectly reasonable and it sounds like Mikko was willing to take it.

Especially when Nate signed for $12.6M, it was a much bigger percentage of the cap at 15.09%.

Do we have any actual evidence of what Mikko was actually offered?

I find it a bit hard to believe that the avs weren't willing to go to 12.6

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Do we have any actual evidence of what Mikko was actually offered?

I find it a bit hard to believe that the avs weren't willing to go to 12.6

It's all been hearsay at this point.

 

[LOFIN]

Do we have any actual evidence of what Mikko was actually offered?

I find it a bit hard to believe that the avs weren't willing to go to 12.6

What kind of "evidence" would you expect to get in this context? Leaked emails and phone calls where CMac says a number?

Friedman has reported 11.75. On a Finnish hockey forum, a poster who claims to have some inside info (not from Rantanen but a Finnish Avs player) says the final offer was around 11.5

 

[a mangy Meowth]

On a Finnish hockey forum, a poster who claims to have some inside info (not from Rantanen but a Finnish Avs player) says the final offer was around 11.5

Oh wow!

 

[LOFIN]

Oh wow!

I mean that fit's the 11.75 just as well, so I don't know what's so funny about it. To me that basically confirms what the Avs number was, 11.75.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I mean that fit's the 11.75 just as well, so I don't know what's so funny about it. To me that basically confirms what the Avs number was, 11.75.

Literally everything about what I quoted was funny (to me)

 

[LOFIN]

Literally everything about what I quoted was funny (to me)

Sure. But some people do have connections. Some people posting here at HFAvs know Avs players (or ex-players) via connections.

I don't think there has been any conflicting reports about what the Avs were offering to Mikko. We know what the ceiling was. Kypreos was talking about the Avs being focused on Pastrnak's 11.25. It's fairly logical to assume, that they threw in the extra 500k in the last few weeks as a last ditch effort to see if Mikko would cave in.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Some people posting here at HFAvs know Avs players (or ex-players) via connections.

Nah, they’re all full of shit, IMO.