Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: A return to excellence?

[Bradely]

A goalie can be great, but he can never win without a supporting cast. It’s why goalies were never paid too much until recently. They are really only as good as the team in front of them.

I can only say I totally disagree with you.

 

[mar2kbos]

I can only say I totally disagree with you.

Well good for you

 

[RoccoF14]

I can only say I totally disagree with you.

Show me the last Vezina finalist on a bad hockey team?

@mar2kbos is 100% correct. Sure, a great goalie can steal you an odd game now and then, but he isn't going to carry a bad team. Henrik Lundqvist is the perfect example. Now, the Rangers are repeating the mistake with Shesterkin. The ONE exception might be Jonathan Quick on that 2012 Kings team.

Any goalie is only gonna play 50-55 games for you anyway, and the difference between a top tier guy making $8+mil, and a middle of the pack guy making $4-5mil is about 1 goal every 5-7 games. That doesn't move the needle enough to justify the salary. You're better off with a mid-tier goalie and using that money to strengthen the lineup in front of him.

Overpaying for so-called elite goaltending is one of the biggest mistakes a club can make. You'd have thought that teams would have learned after Carey Price......nope.

 

[Blowfish]

Show me the last Vezina finalist on a bad hockey team?

@mar2kbos is 100% correct. Sure, a great goalie can steal you an odd game now and then, but he isn't going to carry a bad team. Henrik Lundqvist is the perfect example. Now, the Rangers are repeating the mistake with Shesterkin. The ONE exception might be Jonathan Quick on that 2012 Kings team.

Any goalie is only gonna play 50-55 games for you anyway, and the difference between a top tier guy making $8+mil, and a middle of the pack guy making $4-5mil is about 1 goal every 5-7 games. That doesn't move the needle enough to justify the salary. You're better off with a mid-tier goalie and using that money to strengthen the lineup in front of him.

Overpaying for so-called elite goaltending is one of the biggest mistakes a club can make. You'd have thought that teams would have learned after Carey Price......nope.

This! Well said.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Insane how we might have the three worst contracts in the nhl on this team right now, all brand new deals. This is going to be a brutal decade for bruins fans

I think if you clear out the trash they each look better. Move Coyle and you can live with E Lindholm worst case scenario as 3C. Carlo and Zad can't play together if you move the biggest p***y in the NHL as someone accurately called him earlier Zad is ok at the same cap hit.

Been obvious since the first game vs Florida that those two losers took the summer off showed up out of shape and have mailed it in. Sweeney being too much of a loser to trade either needs to go.

 

[BruinDust]

Show me the last Vezina finalist on a bad hockey team?

@mar2kbos is 100% correct. Sure, a great goalie can steal you an odd game now and then, but he isn't going to carry a bad team. Henrik Lundqvist is the perfect example. Now, the Rangers are repeating the mistake with Shesterkin. The ONE exception might be Jonathan Quick on that 2012 Kings team.

Any goalie is only gonna play 50-55 games for you anyway, and the difference between a top tier guy making $8+mil, and a middle of the pack guy making $4-5mil is about 1 goal every 5-7 games. That doesn't move the needle enough to justify the salary. You're better off with a mid-tier goalie and using that money to strengthen the lineup in front of him.

Overpaying for so-called elite goaltending is one of the biggest mistakes a club can make. You'd have thought that teams would have learned after Carey Price......nope.

Those Darryl Sutter coached Kings teams were rock solid defensively along with Quick being a top tier guy.

Does Tampa make 3 straight cup finals with a mid-level guy?

Last year's champ had 14 million tied up in their goalies. Bob made the same 10 million as Carey Price.

I'm still amazed how Lundqvist got that 2013-14 Rangers team to a finals. That wasn't a line-up loaded with stars.

Do you absolutely need to have a top goalie to win? No. But it sure helps. You look at the franchises that had those never-ending rebuilds in the cap era (Buffalo since the mid 2010s, Toronto and Edmonton in the earlier part of the cap era), one consistent factor was they all lacked a top tier goalie. Some would argue they still do.

All sorts of praise here for the Caps locking up Logan Thompson after 20 something games in their crease at 5.85 and shitting on Swayman's deal. 2.4 million in difference on the cap, peanuts really, Bruins usually got that much tied up in buy-outs and retained salary. Peanuts today, even less of an impact with the cap set to jump drastically in the next 3 years. A mere 2% of the cap. What are you getting for that extra 2.4 million with a 113 million cap?

 

[Hookslide]

Well good for you

You are right, and Bradley is wrong.......move Sway, Columbus being rumored for Petterson, if you are going to pay all that money for Petterson, you are in need of a goalie. Philadelphia are you listening.

 

[BMC]

Those Darryl Sutter coached Kings teams were rock solid defensively along with Quick being a top tier guy.

Does Tampa make 3 straight cup finals with a mid-level guy?

Last year's champ had 14 million tied up in their goalies. Bob made the same 10 million as Carey Price.

I'm still amazed how Lundqvist got that 2013-14 Rangers team to a finals. That wasn't a line-up loaded with stars.

Do you absolutely need to have a top goalie to win? No. But it sure helps. You look at the franchises that had those never-ending rebuilds in the cap era (Buffalo since the mid 2010s, Toronto and Edmonton in the earlier part of the cap era), one consistent factor was they all lacked a top tier goalie. Some would argue they still do.

All sorts of praise here for the Caps locking up Logan Thompson after 20 something games in their crease at 5.85 and shitting on Swayman's deal. 2.4 million in difference on the cap, peanuts really, Bruins usually got that much tied up in buy-outs and retained salary. Peanuts today, even less of an impact with the cap set to jump drastically in the next 3 years. A mere 2% of the cap. What are you getting for that extra 2.4 million with a 113 million cap?

Lundqvist channeled Dominik Hasek, just an incredible run. Rags just didn't have enough to get over the line.

As for Swayman that hold out hurt his preparation no question about it. He's been behind the curve all season and as a result I don't expect much from him until next season. He got what he wanted though- the #1 spot and the pay day to go with it. It remains to be seen if he has bitten off more than he can chew.

 

[BB79]

We should have stuck with the tandem and let Swayman sit out. Ullmark could have been moved at the deadline. Or even extended below market value if he loved Boston so much.

They played the situation all wrong. As soon as they dumped Ullmark they shot themselves in the foot and Swayman and his agent knew he had the leverage instead of the other way around

 

[BMC]

They played the situation all wrong. As soon as they dumped Ullmark they shot themselves in the foot and Swayman and his agent knew he had the leverage instead of the other way around

Absolutely. I don't give a damn about "asset management", those 2 were the best goalie tandem in the NHL. Sweeney should have told Swayman take a bridge deal, you can be #1 when Ullmark becomes UFA otherwise you can pound sand. Nope, the smartest man in the room decided to trade Ullmark instead.

 

[KrejciWinger]

Lewis Gross next Bruins GM