Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[Sam I Am]

When you are trading a top end player like Mikko, its almost impossible to really get value back that's close. The fact we got the Canes leading scorer, plus Drury, and picks, and cap relief is the best the Avs could have wished for.

Doubly impossible in his UFA season. Avs did well all things considered. Now let's see whether they have more luck signing Necas than Mikko.

 

[The Moops]

Real?

 

[Cypher]

You were never going to win a Rantenan trade. Whoever gets the best player wins trades. And there's what, like maybe 10 players in the league better than Mikko, none of which are pending UFAs too.

Real?

Nah, Mikko has a 9-team no trade list, and Carolina isn't on it. He didn't have to waive to go yesterday. Other more credible journalists confirmed that.

 

[Joe Sakic]

Real?

That can't be real, right? Pretty sure Mikko had a 9-team 'no-trade clause' which would have been submitted prior to the season. He wouldn't be able to randomly "block" a team last week. Makes no sense from a contractual stand point.

 

[Linds]

Real?

I don't see what the Hawks could have offered that made much sense/ value. No way they pay for a rental Rantanen because he wouldn't resign there

 

[RoyIsALegend]

It was 14M over 7 in UFA. Expect 12.25 on 8 years.

For us he needed to drive his own line for that. Which he's done in the past with Mack out, but hadn't done recently.

I think yall will be fine.

Yeah, I’m not sure about that.

I don’t think Mikko’s camp considered any type of discount for the 8th year.

They used Draisaitl as the example. Same agent. 14m AAV from the current team.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Interesting tidbit from Lebrun:

“But what was interesting from a Hawks’ perspective is that for a while Friday all they knew was that Hall was ending up in Carolina as part of a three-team deal and that they were retaining on a pending UFA from a third team. They didn’t know it was Rantanen until the last moment.“

If Cmac and Davidson were/are indeed working on something, I find it very surprising that CMaC wasn’t a little more transparent with Davidson on the Carolina deal. Maybe there really isn’t much going on with Chicago.

 

[LOFIN]

LeBrun, who usually has a pretty good insight for Avs:

My understanding is that Rantanen was willing to take less than what a July 1 market number looked like to stay in Colorado, but even so, his number was not in the same realm as where the Avs were.

Meaning, I don’t think Rantanen was stuck at $14 million a year. He would have taken less to stay in Denver. But I would imagine being around even the $12.6 million MacKinnon average annual value might have been seen as too much by the Avs.

LeBrun: Unpacking the Mikko Rantanen trade — a rare NHL in-season blockbuster

Where does the NHL's biggest in-season trade in decades leave the Canes, Avs and Blackhawks ... and the Canucks and Rangers? Let's dig in.

www.nytimes.com

 

[shadow1]

They added close to 2M in cap space for this season. They’ve created likely close to 5-7M in cap space for next year.
A 2nd is also a pretty good asset to acquire extra depth pieces.

Of course it’s a byproduct. It gives the avs more flexibility.

They added only $1.025M this year.

Yes they added cap space next year, but a chunk of that is likely going to Drouin, and they've only kicked the can a year down the road on Necas (and Drury for that matter).

I'm sure you're right that the 2nd round pick will be moved. But that isn't the type of asset that puts a deal over the top/would allow Colorado to acquire someone previously unobtainable.

 

[StreetHawk]

Yeah, I’m not sure about that.

I don’t think Mikko’s camp considered any type of discount for the 8th year.

They used Draisaitl as the example. Same agent. 14m AAV from the current team.

I don't think Mikko is playing the 8th season for free as those $14 mill over 7 and $12.25 mill over is $98 mill total cash. Can't make the assumption he'd be LTIR that 8th season. At the age of 35 or so for that 8th season, he'd be a 7 figure salary on the open market. That's why the top guys want that 8th season locked in.

Avs are in their window to win. Thinking should be for the next 3 seasons or so.

 

[MacKaRant]

If Mikko signs for less than MacKinnon money with Carolina, I win. If it's more than that, you win.

Deal.

If Mikko goes to UFA, bet is off, but we'll all get to see the level of greedment he has, whether that's low or high

 

[LOFIN]

Deal.

If Mikko goes to UFA, bet is off, but we'll all get to see the level of greedment he has, whether that's low or high

UFA is included in that deal, if he goes to UFA you win. Unless the deal is something like 12x7, at which point we should all just be pissed off.

 

[CaleMakaw]

There's a good chance necas scores more this year than rantanen between now and end of season.

 

[EdAVSfan]

They added only $1.025M this year.

Yes they added cap space next year, but a chunk of that is likely going to Drouin, and they've only kicked the can a year down the road on Necas (and Drury for that matter).

I'm sure you're right that the 2nd round pick will be moved. But that isn't the type of asset that puts a deal over the top/would allow Colorado to acquire someone previously unobtainable.

No, they added close to 2M. It was a 2 for 1 player deal. You have to include the fact that Drury allows the Avs to move a player down, saving an additional 800Kish.

2nds are unspectacular because they don’t have the same excitement as 1sts, but they are absolutely incredibly valuable at getting good players. The Avs got Toews for 2 2nds, half of Lehkonen with a 2nd. The more you have, the more packages you can create.

They also added Drury. He’s a bottom 6 center. They’ve used Colton, maybe parsinnen, Kelly, etc. You now have an extra that could be moved if necessary. Maybe this facilitates a Colton move for a different player or Dman.

Again, this move has exchanged 1 player, for 2 players and two tradeable assets and close to 2M in cap space. To suggest that this move isn’t a precursor to being able to have more depth is simply disingenuous. Now, if they don’t spend to the cap, don’t spend the assets, are under the cap next season by 5-6M, sure, I’ll absolutely concede that they haven’t added depth.

Like I said originally, this trade allows them to have more depth. That could mean activating Landeskog. It could mean being able to keep Colton and re-sign Drouin, it could mean several things. They obviously still need to make the additional moves.

 

[The Merchant]

 

[niwotsblessing]

So long, Moose. Thank you for helping us win a Cup.

CMac put his balls on the table and the legs collapsed. He has more work to do, and he is doing his part this season to put us in a position to Win. I like the return we got, Drury is looking good on the 3rd line and Necas is finding his way with Mack. Best of all the 2nd line scored the goal.

btw- Game Day thread?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

We should have been in on the kappo kakko trade and then traded away Rants for Necas.

 

[Balthazar]

Real?

Likely.

That dude is followed by Kevin Weekes and Chris Johnston, among others.

That'd explain all the Chicago scouting stuff, too.

@RoyIsALegend

 

[Richard88]

His last comment: " he had the UFA card and we felt this was what we had to do".

Sounds like his agent Octagon dug their heels in and gave CMac no choice

 

[shadow1]

No, they added close to 2M. It was a 2 for 1 player deal. You have to include the fact that Drury allows the Avs to move a player down, saving an additional 800Kish.

2nds are unspectacular because they don’t have the same excitement as 1sts, but they are absolutely incredibly valuable at getting good players. The Avs got Toews for 2 2nds, half of Lehkonen with a 2nd. The more you have, the more packages you can create.

They also added Drury. He’s a bottom 6 center. They’ve used Colton, maybe parsinnen, Kelly, etc. You now have an extra that could be moved if necessary. Maybe this facilitates a Colton move for a different player or Dman.

Again, this move has exchanged 1 player, for 2 players and two tradeable assets and close to 2M in cap space. To suggest that this move isn’t a precursor to being able to have more depth is simply disingenuous. Now, if they don’t spend to the cap, don’t spend the assets, are under the cap next season by 5-6M, sure, I’ll absolutely concede that they haven’t added depth.

Like I said originally, this trade allows them to have more depth. That could mean activating Landeskog. It could mean being able to keep Colton and re-sign Drouin, it could mean several things. They obviously still need to make the additional moves.

You're right about the cap space.

I'm not saying a 2nd is nothing, and I don't want to split hairs about what I consider a premium asset. All I'm saying is I don't think the players they received moved the needle a ton, and I'm not sure how much of a difference the picks and cap space they picked up will make this year.

I've been one of the most staunch supporters of CMac historically, but I don't like the feeling in my gut on this one. I'm not trying to be disingenuous. I will gladly - GLADLY - eat a huge serving of crow on this in the future.

 

[Bender]

Mikko will do fine with Aho but I will be watching his production for a regress after this.

Here's what's going to happen :

Mikko will do very well in Carolina. He's certainly capable as we've all seen but in my opinion had become complacent with the Avs. Out of necessity to 'be the man', he'll do well for the Hurricanes. Then he'll sign his big extension and I think he'll be pretty good in his first full season with Carolina.

After that, all bets are off - I'm not certain that the bad habits that we've seen in his play the last year and a half won't come creeping back into his game.

 

[willy702]

Truth is very few will know the real situation going into the trade. I don't think a real value on the trade based on the pieces dealt alone is possible because you don't know what else has been offered for Mikko in the past and you don't know exactly where his agent was at in asking price.

As many have pointed out if he signs a 7yr vs 8yr deal that's a huge consideration too because I think he'll be a big negative to his team by his age 33 or 34 season. That's a point that all this analysis is missing, not only is it a question of signing him it's what are you dealing with if he got signed to the contract.

I think as most have stated it hurts their chances a bit this year but if guys aren't going to stay healthy that doesn't matter so much. I'm not waiving the white flag, at full health the Avs got so many good two way players that they can definitely contend. It probably makes the team a little better overall next year and beyond with the cap space but CMac has to do something with it.

 

[Bender]

Return is underwhelming? What the f*** was this moron expecting? Can you imagine not knowing how the league works - what it means to be an impending UFA and the value that these players usually have. C-Mac did an incredible job getting good value back for a guy who CAN STILL just walk to UFA July 1st and decide he doesn't want to sign with Carolina.

They still have one, AJ was wrong and I believed him

Can someone confirm if these 'superstars' have day jobs and that this is just a fun little side gig?

If not, I feel bad for them. Imagine dedicating your life to something you completely suck at.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Mack isn't happy about the trade. You can hear it in his voice and the way he's answering these questions.

No one on the team knew anything. They were all shocked.

 

[lionsDen]

Stick a fork in this team their done