Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[Balthazar]

It was 14M over 7 in UFA. Expect 12.25 on 8 years.

I don't know about that, Drai got 14M X 8 and he wants the same thing.

 

[MoreLikeTurdCrapley]

For the last time:

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

MacK uses his speed to create room but needs guys who can retrieve the puck on dump ins when the defense is set. And guys who can get to the open space that MacK creates and finish chances.

MacKs best ever chemistry has been with Rants and Landeskog. Not exactly the two fastest guys. And he's also done pretty well with Drouin.

Just because Necas is fast doesn't mean they'll click. Aho is a much more cerebral player than MacK. Much different style. I see Necas propping up our dog shite second line C. While MacK plays with Nuke and someone else.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I don't think the Avs wanted to even go to 12M. That amount was still too much for the Avs considering Makar's contract coming up........and I agree with that.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I don't know about that, Drai got 14M X 8 and he wants the same thing.

His agent made the 14M on the open market comment.

Mikko isn't Drai, anyone can see that.

 

[MacKaRant]

Yeah sure, that's not too bad I think?

BUT, do we make it ground rules that this is an 8 year deal? Beacause if he hits UFA and the deal starts with 13, it's not the same.

Happy to do the bet for fun regardless, what would be your modified terms?

However, if the bet basically is some form of: "Is Mikko in it for the bag? / Are Kypreos's numbers way off?", wouldn't the fact that Mikko gets to UFA sort of be a win for my side?

 

[CobraAcesS]

For the last time:

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@Unsustainable

Yall will need this, there is some other good ones in the appreciation thread. Arm up lol.

 

[EdAVSfan]

That press conference felt like a wake.

I don't love the trade. I get why it happened, but I don't think you can look at the roster and say "they traded top end for depth."

They traded top end with the ability to now create depth.

The depth still needs to be acquired

 

[Arch angel]

Ball arena tribute video folks doing their stretches …

Gbye moose. Hope trade does you and us well.

 

[LOFIN]

Happy to do the bet for fun regardless, what would be your modified terms?

However, if the bet basically is some form of: "Is Mikko in it for the bag? / Are Kypreos's numbers way off?", wouldn't the fact that Mikko gets to UFA sort of be a win for my side?

If Mikko signs for less than MacKinnon money with Carolina, I win. If it's more than that, you win.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I don't think the Avs wanted to even go to 12M. That amount was still too much for the Avs considering Makar's contract coming up........and I agree with that.

Yeah I don't think they wanted to go anywhere near 12s.

 

[Slowdive]

When you are trading a top end player like Mikko, its almost impossible to really get value back that's close. The fact we got the Canes leading scorer, plus Drury, and picks, and cap relief is the best the Avs could have wished for.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Read in one of the main board threads that Necas wants to play C. If he actually can, while keeping up his level of play this trade suddenly becomes a massive W

 

[CobraAcesS]

When you are trading a top end player like Mikko, its almost impossible to really get value back that's close. The fact we got the Canes leading scorer, plus Drury, and picks, and cap relief is the best the Avs could have wished for.

It's an impressive return, and not one we've seen recently.

Read in one of the main board threads that Necas wants to play C. If he actually can, while keeping up his level of play this trade suddenly becomes a massive W

Hasn't been able to under a more strict coach. He certainly has the size and speed.

 

[Alienblood]

Yeah, I agree. The only player they have given that 8-year deal that last to the players late 30's, is Slavin. And they got him at a paltry $6,4 million, or thereabouts.
Then again, I didn't believe they would trade for him at all, so what the f*** do I know?
They're also yuge on fancy stats, and I believe Tulsky in particular has done some analytics work on players regression in the 30's (pulling from memory, so don't shoot if I'm wrong on tjis one).
This could be the exception, though, both because it's alot to give up for "just" a rental and because Aho might show how americanized he's become and show up at managements office with a shotgun if they don't re-sign him
If he demands $14 million × 8, but will end up signing a 7-year deal with someone else on July 1st, I wonder who will pony up around $15x7 for him? Utah, maybe?

He's already said he would take a discount to to sign with Carolina according to Dreger.

 

[Freudian]

Wonder what shit rental Avs will spend that 2nd round pick on.

 

[Qurpiz]

I swear if this trade was a precursor to Seth Jones to Avs buffoonery then I'm turning agnostic about my Avs fandom

 

[Alienblood]

One from Mikko's reps and one from The Avs

It had to be done before the 4 nations , surely Mikko new that

 

[Alienblood]

Wonder what shit rental Avs will spend that 2nd round pick on.

they'll need it to get rid of Mitts

 

[shadow1]

They traded top end with the ability to now create depth.

The depth still needs to be acquired

Anything that happens next isn't a byproduct of this trade. Colorado gained only marginal cap space and no premium assets.

They traded probably the best player since Joe Thornton in 2005 and aren't any deeper for it.

 

[Alienblood]

This is fun guys, thanks for making news with us.

I’m very interested to see how Necas does with MacKinnon. People are speculating that because they’re both great skaters they’ll be natural fits next to each other. In my observation in Carolina, Necas performed better with guys who deferred to him and let him be the central play driver. In fact, when he was leading the league in points in the Nov/Dec timeframe this year, he was doing it primarily on a line with Eric Robinson and Jesperi Kotkaniemi. Necas is kind of diet MacKinnon, who also (at least in my observation, y’all know him better) tends to be the primary play driver and puck carrier on his line.

All combos are worth trying out, but it wouldn’t surprise me if instead of a dynamic MacKinnon-Necas combo on line 1, you end up with MacKinnon on line 1 and then Necas (diet MacKinnon) on line 2 or 3 with guys who are more comfortable forechecking, doing the dirty work, and deferring the puck carrying (Colton, maybe even Drury on a 3rd line, etc.)

When the Avs are healthy it should be Nuke on lime 1 with Mack

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Wonder what shit rental Avs will spend that 2nd round pick on.

I asked chatgpt if Lars Eller can create a rock so heavy that nobody, not even Lars Eller, can lift it.

It said it was going to end humanity.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Anything that happens next isn't a byproduct of this trade. Colorado gained only marginal cap space and no premium assets.

They traded probably the best player since Joe Thornton in 2005 and aren't any deeper for it.

They added close to 2M in cap space for this season. They’ve created likely close to 5-7M in cap space for next year.
A 2nd is also a pretty good asset to acquire extra depth pieces.

Of course it’s a byproduct. It gives the avs more flexibility.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

The Avs got a top line W. Not an elite player but a guy who paces for top line production. Who wants to try C.

And what sounds like a solid third liner.

And gained cap space.

That is acquiring depth. Filling two spaces in the roster with solid players who should provide positive value in their slot in the lineup.

What did people think a Rants for depth trade would look like? An entire second line signed long term for 12M total?

 

[Alienblood]

lol at Mikko being very upset. Perhaps he should be upset with his agent.

14 mil

Next time a team offers you a shade under your best player and guy who put a tonne of money in your pocket, maybe you should take it.

Go f*** yourself Mikko. You’re a superstar. My favorite hockey team is worse. But you’re a greedy asshole. Held out once before until he became the highest paid player on the team which he was for almost the entire duration of his contract. Mackinnon’s new deal kicked in a year ago and for you and/or your agent to have the balls to request 1.5M more than that guy after all the money he made you is downright bullshit.

I’m really proud of Cmac today. The team is worse right now. I get it. But f*** Mikko Rantanen.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Most arrogant guy on the team and it bit him.

Which team will you follow after this trade?

Seattle Hurricanes