Coaching is a serious problem.

[BLONG7]

OR the Montreal Canadiens, the most storied franchise in hockey could..you know hire the best available coach period. Not "develop" a coach wth is that?? I was open minded about MSL but not anymore, sorry. I am sure I am not alone here but we have had a string of terrible coaches for some years now and I am sick of it. I get the bi-lingual thing but it's 2024 and this league is ultra competitive so why give yourself a potential handicap right off the bat? We have a very young team and if this persists for much longer it risks creating a loser culture/mindset among the players not to mention a few years of lost quality development for our prospects.

We have talented prospects and young players...we need to get this right, this is a pivitol year.

Oh and for the record before the pro french crowd jumps down my throat..my parents are from PQ and I am fully biligual with french as my first language. It isn't about language anymore...I want to build a contender with the best coaching staff we can buy. Period.


"Tsé" - MSL

Bottom line for me, MSL can speak 5 languages, I have never cared, we need who ever our coach is to be better..............if the players can be expected to develop, then so can the coaches.

OR the Montreal Canadiens, the most storied franchise in hockey could..you know hire the best available coach period. Not "develop" a coach wth is that?? I was open minded about MSL but not anymore, sorry. I am sure I am not alone here but we have had a string of terrible coaches for some years now and I am sick of it. I get the bi-lingual thing but it's 2024 and this league is ultra competitive so why give yourself a potential handicap right off the bat? We have a very young team and if this persists for much longer it risks creating a loser culture/mindset among the players not to mention a few years of lost quality development for our prospects.

We have talented prospects and young players...we need to get this right, this is a pivitol year.

Oh and for the record before the pro french crowd jumps down my throat..my parents are from PQ and I am fully biligual with french as my first language. It isn't about language anymore...I want to build a contender with the best coaching staff we can buy. Period.


"Tsé" - MSL

Bottom line for me, MSL can speak 5 languages, I have never cared, we need who ever our coach is to be better..............if the players can be expected to develop, then so can the coaches.

 

[morhilane]

There was a late night article on Radio-Canada quoting a lots of MLS about the Dzone play. What he said:
- players are too passive and reactive instead of anticipating to kill plays
- the players to leave too much spaces
- the players aren't aggressive enough to cause errors

I think MSL reads HFBoards.

 

[Rapala]

There was a late night article on Radio-Canada quoting a lots of MLS about the Dzone play. What he said:
- players are too passive and reactive instead of anticipating to kill plays
- the players to leave too much spaces
- the players aren't aggressive enough to cause errors

I think MSL reads HFBoards.

That he finally realizes we are too passive is good.
Things will not get better until he acknowledges the fact that his team is not able to pre-cognize the type of system he wants to play.
Let's count up the players with a good sense of anticipation shall we...
Getting more aggressive at this point may actually cause the breakdowns to happen quicker it's a slippery slope.
This is all stuff we've discussed as long as two years ago.

 

[morhilane]

That he finally realizes we are too passive is good.
Things will not get better until he acknowledges the fact that his team is not able to pre-cognize the type of system he wants to play.
Let's count up the players with a good sense of anticipation shall we...
Getting more aggressive at this point may actually cause the breakdowns to happen quicker it's a slippery slope.
This is all stuff we've discussed as long as two years ago.

I think he realized it two years ago, it's not the first time he mention them being too passive defensively.

The point is more that the players aren't executing what the coach's wants. MSL defensive system is not "standing on the ice puck watching while turtling around the net". But whatever he wants his players to do, after 3 seasons of it not working, it might be time to move to something else they might be able to execute.

 

[OldCraig71]

Marty needs some help because things are looking messy.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think he realized it two years ago, it's not the first time he mention them being too passive defensively.

The point is more that the players aren't executing what the coach's wants. MSL defensive system is not "standing on the ice puck watching while turtling around the net". But whatever he wants his players to do, after 3 seasons of it not working, it might be time to move to something else they might be able to execute.

Based on everything I've heard and read, they believe the style of defense they want to play will be the most effective way to win, when it can be executed and they'd rather keep taking their lumps with it until it clicks, than dumb everything down and do something else only to build them back up to the system again later.

 

[Rapala]

I think he realized it two years ago, it's not the first time he mention them being too passive defensively.

The point is more that the players aren't executing what the coach's wants. MSL defensive system is not "standing on the ice puck watching while turtling around the net". But whatever he wants his players to do, after 3 seasons of it not working, it might be time to move to something else they might be able to execute.

Pre-cognize was the the main thrust of my argument and in the discussions of the past not the passiveness.
The latter is a by product of our ineptitude with the former.

There was always going to be a point in time where our style of play was going to get questioned seriously.
We are there now. The one point that was continually being made in the past was we don't have the horses for this.

Grillo will help with reaction but he sure as shit can't help with anticipation which is all "Hockey Sense"
That being said we are back to either simplifying the system or lowering our expectations.
I can't remember the last time we had such a balloon of optimism get popped so quickly.
Maybe when Bergevin's season following our ECF appearance became a transition year because he did jack shit in the off season.

I'm simply looking for better structure better GF/GA and definite improvements in our over all team game.
Luckily we have 75 more games to make it happen but I do think changes will have to be made to make it happen.

 

[Rapala]

Based on everything I've heard and read, they believe the style of defense they want to play will be the most effective way to win, when it can be executed and they'd rather keep taking their lumps with it until it clicks, than dumb everything down and do something else only to build them back up to the system again later.

This is the one thing that will likely irritate the fan base more than anything else if we continue to look so lost in our D zone.
Much of it because of the expectations/optimism our front office gave the fan base coming out of last season.
They've always been up front with what they hope to achieve when discussing "Our Hockey" but maybe they should have been wiser.

I think we can see what their plan was but realistically they hoped to jump two steps before ensuring they could take one.
The constant injuries are only making it seem like it will be another long trudge to something below mediocrity.
The funny thing is mediocrity in this league is being in the mix. Maybe they should have used that term.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

all these guys have played systems almost all their careers, so if MSL and Staff think their system, whatever it is as no one can explain it because no players seems to be able to execute it going into yr 3, then its either the system itself is the problem or the ones teaching it

All the players collectively dumb now, they all succeeded in winning systems and coaches in the past but our peewee geniuses have come up with the 3D matrix level scheme that will lead them to wins if executed properly and they just havent in 2 yrs. Sounds right

 

[ryan callahan]

Man people in this thread gaslighting themselves thinking the coach is that important. With this level of defensive commitment and effort from our so-called "leaders" (Suzuki, Savard, Anderson, etc.), no defensive system or coach could do anything with this embarrassing group. I don't even like MSL that much and idk if he is the coach for the future of this team, but the last 4 games are 100% on the players