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morhilane

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Quiet after a much improved performance.

Issues last night were just related to communication on pinching or aggressive defenseman.
Last night was mostly just an effort improvement to retrieve puck and pressure puck carriers. The execution was still very sloppy, even on the offense without the D activating.

Still a lots of work for the coaches.
 
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I would like them to look at Carolina : in spite of personal changes (Hamilton, Pesce, Skeji... over the past years) they keep playing an aggressive forecheck game and pure zone defense in their Dzone which makes them one of the most consistent teams over the past years.

For me it s hard to argue that CAR defense squad is made of great Dmen but they buy in a very efficient system which yields convincing results.
 

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If these guys remotely brought something it would be somewhat digestible but other than Gallagher hustling these guys bring nothing. The old Armia is back, Anderson skates miles and miles to nowhere and I haven't figured out what Dvorak has ever brought.
Anderson has been part of the solution in making the PK top-3 in the NHL so far. Evans/Anderson/Gallagher line has showed up and outperformed their competition in almost all of their games
 
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Last night was mostly just an effort improvement to retrieve puck and pressure puck carriers. The execution was still very sloppy, even on the offense with the D activating.

Still a lots of work for the coaches.
Yeah we still have a team that has to out work it's opponents or bust.
That isn't going to change anytime soon.
 

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I would like them to look at Carolina : in spite of personal changes (Hamilton, Pesce, Skeji... over the past years) they keep playing an aggressive forecheck game and pure zone defense in their Dzone which makes them one of the most consistent teams over the past years.

For me it s hard to argue that CAR defense squad is made of great Dmen but they buy in a very efficient system which yields convincing results.
How long has Brind’Amour been part of that coaching staff 13-yrs? 6-yrs as head coach? He was also responsible for roster player development as assistant coach when hired in 2011… it took Canes players years to cultivate that culture of understanding Rod the Bod’s system and then there’s the time it took to incorporate their drafted talent ..
 

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How long has Brind’Amour been part of that coaching staff 13-yrs? 6-yrs as head coach? He was also responsible for roster player development as assistant coach when hired in 2011… it took Canes players years to cultivate that culture of understanding Rod the Bod’s system

He has been head coach since 18-19. Since then they have had great stats and have qualified for the playoffs. They have one top 5 pick (Svechnikov) in their lineup.
I disagree with the years it took for them to buy in esp. when you see how well player like Chatfield Ghost Burns have been included in the system. I think the Habs should take a page from Brind'Amour's book.
 

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Quiet after a much improved performance.

Issues last night were just related to communication on pinching or aggressive defenseman.
That's all most of us want. The wins and losses are not at the top of my list but I do want to see them competitive and learning how to play a solid NHL game.

Management raised expectations with the in the mix comments and it really isn't much of an expectation to see a group of NHLers playing like they belong in the league.
 

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That's all most of us want. The wins and losses are not at the top of my list but I do want to see them competitive and learning how to play a solid NHL game.

Management raised expectations with the in the mix comments and it really isn't much of an expectation to see a group of NHLers playing like they belong in the league.
I agree the special teams improvement is appreciated but the falloff 5v5 was totally unacceptable.
We are not out of the woods by a long shot yet. I didn't think the Blues were particularly good.
 
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Last night was mostly just an effort improvement to retrieve puck and pressure puck carriers. The execution was still very sloppy, even on the offense without the D activating.

Still a lots of work for the coaches.
It's like they can't win with some fans. The past few weeks it was all about the D zone coverage, they do well in that regard and the improvement is dismissed as if it wasn't the system working as intended and then you change the goal posts and bring up something different.
 

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He has been head coach since 18-19. Since then they have had great stats and have qualified for the playoffs. They have one top 5 pick (Svechnikov) in their lineup.
I disagree with the years it took for them to buy in esp. when you see how well player like Chatfield Ghost Burns have been included in the system. I think the Habs should take a page from Brind'Amour's book.
I don’t disagree with the notion - but Ron Francis brought on Brind’Amour in 2011 to be an assistant coach responsible for player development of their NHL roster including implementing a system which both Kirk Muller & Bill Peters were responsible for using & growing the team but neither were able to fully have success with

It’s not only top-10 picks, Canes under Tulsky’s reign as AGM have had quite a bit of success hit w their 1st rounders Aho, Jarvis, Necas, Morrow & Nadeau are up & coming - Tulsky was working part time for Canes when he recommended Aho to Francis in 2015
 

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Anderson has been part of the solution in making the PK top-3 in the NHL so far. Evans/Anderson/Gallagher line has showed up and outperformed their competition in almost all of their games
I hope they succeed I really do. As a proud Habs fan I always want them to win! They showed up last night...let's see if they show up tonight. Veterans generally are pretty consistent.
 
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Good game yesterday by the top 6 but they need to do it again against a Flyers team that is in good spirits after a great game by their 1st line yesterday. Could be an entertaining bout.
 

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Good game yesterday by the top 6 but they need to do it again against a Flyers team that is in good spirits after a great game by their 1st line yesterday. Could be an entertaining bout.
Hopefully hometown boy Primeau steps up, that will be key. One thing you can always count on is that Torterella will have his team ready. Good thing is that both teams played yesterday.
 
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Anderson has been part of the solution in making the PK top-3 in the NHL so far. Evans/Anderson/Gallagher line has showed up and outperformed their competition in almost all of their games
Agreed. Anderson has been a surprising (good surprising) revelation on PK
 
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It's like they can't win with some fans. The past few weeks it was all about the D zone coverage, they do well in that regard and the improvement is dismissed as if it wasn't the system working as intended and then you change the goal posts and bring up something different.
I wouldn’t say they did well in front of the net at all last night. The goals that were scored against were ugly and there were plenty more of ugly scrambles that we got bailed out on. Too many point blank opportunities close in the slot. I expect some of that with such a green team but still a lot to be desired.
 

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The only player from last year’s roster is Guhle and we're playing worse this year than last year.

Again — no one is expecting the moon, just some serious hockey. Be hard to play against. It isn’t asking for much.

No one should call for MSL’s head either, but he should do a better job of coaching. These issues are not sudden or new. We’ve always been tactically naive. It’s time to shape it up.
Being hard to play against would mean the team is fundamentally a decent team. A bottom-tier team is not a decent team. We aren't there yet so to expect them to be a decent team is asking a little too much.
 

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I wouldn’t say they did well in front of the net at all last night. The goals that were scored against were ugly and there were plenty more of ugly scrambles that we got bailed out on. Too many point blank opportunities close in the slot. I expect some of that with such a green team but still a lot to be desired.
So first I would mention, that by narrowing it down to "in front of the net" it's already moving the goal posts from the complaints (Not necessarily yours in particular) over the past couple weeks about coaching, systems, etc...

Second, sure there were some down low chances but it didn't seem particularly bad to me so perhaps it's a case of expectations especially when it comes to coaching. Because I don't think any coach/system can prevent a giant from driving the net and scoring a goal, good players can and will overwhelm you from time to time, that's why they are good players.
 
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