Management Claude Julien - Mod Warning post 643

[Over the volcano]

that's right when your wrong about something come up with an insane example that doesn't relate and put a after it.


never change Lonnie never change.

Besides, we all know its the Panthers who are the real Bruins (Jagr, Thornton, Smith, Kampfer)

For what it's worth, I recognize the difference between "improving the roster in a sustainable way" versus "improving the roster every single year."

Sweeney may have arguably done the former (certainly not the latter)...but the final verdict on that can't be rendered for 2-3 years. Which is why you don't evaluate a GM's performance after one measly year, IMO.

Agree- Unless they are doing long term damage you got to give em some time to make their mark,

 

[missingchicklet]

good read here on CJ and the position management put him in this year.

http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/...h-don-sweeney-cam-neely-collapse-nhl-playoffs

Great article. Interesting that in the poll at the end of the article, in which 4160 people have voted, only 4% blame Claude and 75% blame management. Dan 100% nails it. Not sure what some people were watching this year, but to say Claude cannot change his style suggests those people were not watching many games and/or simply do not understand hockey very much. The article details that quite nicely. And CJ was doing this in spite of management's Jekyll and Hyde act that has been going on for three seasons now.

The Bruins have been like the Jekyll and Hyde of hockey operations: trade Milan Lucic (move for the future). Extend Adam McQuaid (move for now). Trade Dougie Hamilton for just draft picks (move for the future). Keep Loui Eriksson without an extension (move for now).

The organization is stuck on some sort of planning roller coaster, riding "going for it" and "let’s build for the future" peaks and valleys until all of the fans just want to get off the ride. This has been going on since 2013, and the common thread is Neely. Is he under pressure to "WIN" from above? Absolutely.

Dan doesn't go into the wasted picks on players who have not produced at a level expected for what the Bs gave up, and who do not in any way fit into the future with the team. To blame Claude for this mess is simply asinine. You cannot give someone the parts of a family sedan and expect to get a Ferrari. It's that simple. I'm hoping management understands that and doesn't panic and try to find a scapegoat for the misdeeds of the past. Hopefully they realize that they have made some mistakes and have the wherewithal to not make similar mistakes going forward. They have a great and proven coach and some nice core players on offense, so they need to build upon that and start filling the gaping holes, not with bargain bin players and has beens, but 1) with solid trades to address the holes, and 2) with good drafting and player development. That will never happen if they continue to bring in the type of trash they keep bringing in, hoping for a miracle.

 

[NewJackEdwards]

Right the ship in 1 year?

You mean the ship he was sinking since 2011 by falling in love with the roster he built? The B's did not miss playoffs because of one year, it was a culmination of things over the last half of his tenure.

The funny part is that most people seem to think that Sweeeney should have been able to fix Chia's messes in one year.

I was referring to Chia righting the Edmonton ship. I wasn't referencing The Bruins at all.

 

[Spanky185]

Came across this, currently take it with salt

@MikeSetta22: Heard from a source that Claude Julien will be fired by the #Bruins and that #Ottawa will be looking to Julien to be their new coach

 

[bruins repeat time]

Right the ship in 1 year?

You mean the ship he was sinking since 2011 by falling in love with the roster he built? The B's did not miss playoffs because of one year, it was a culmination of things over the last half of his tenure.

The funny part is that most people seem to think that Sweeeney should have been able to fix Chia's messes in one year.

The Peter situation is highly over rated. We might of been heading for a big fall but we weren't there yet. We could've re-tooled and been right in the contender phase. I don't know if you were one of the guys who told me the kings were done but I expected them to be great this yr and a contender after missing last yr. Well hello they are .

As far as Don goes he did a lot for the future and I certainly didn't expect to be great this yr . Only time will tell if his half rebuild works but it looks ok to me now where I was guessing it wouldn't work in the summer.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Came across this, currently take it with salt

@MikeSetta22: Heard from a source that Claude Julien will be fired by the #Bruins and that #Ottawa will be looking to Julien to be their new coach

(is a Sens fan that has been following these threads all day)

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Great article. Interesting that in the poll at the end of the article, in which 4160 people have voted, only 4% blame Claude and 75% blame management. Dan 100% nails it. Not sure what some people were watching this year, but to say Claude cannot change his style suggests those people were not watching many games and/or simply do not understand hockey very much. The article details that quite nicely. And CJ was doing this in spite of management's Jekyll and Hyde act that has been going on for three seasons now.



Dan doesn't go into the wasted picks on players who have not produced at a level expected for what the Bs gave up, and who do not in any way fit into the future with the team. To blame Claude for this mess is simply asinine. You cannot give someone the parts of a family sedan and expect to get a Ferrari. It's that simple. I'm hoping management understands that and doesn't panic and try to find a scapegoat for the misdeeds of the past. Hopefully they realize that they have made some mistakes and have the wherewithal to not make similar mistakes going forward. They have a great and proven coach and some nice core players on offense, so they need to build upon that and start filling the gaping holes, not with bargain bin players and has beens, but 1) with solid trades to address the holes, and 2) with good drafting and player development. That will never happen if they continue to bring in the type of trash they keep bringing in, hoping for a miracle.

Julien had a full year to mesh this D into at least an adequate group, he didn't. Once again I will bring up the Flyers and that joke of a D, their new coach figured out a way to make it work, this even after losing their #2 man for the year ( Del Zotto) and the trade of Schenn, why does CJ deserve another pass after last season's disaster of a season ? Julien's trademark is his vaunted system which is supposed to mask defensive problems, it worked well when he first came to Boston, the game has changed, it is faster, less clutching and grabbing is tolerated, mobility is now the requisite skill most required, yet Julien still has his presence for big slow lumbering D-men, it doesn't work anymore. Is he fully to blame ? Of course not, management gets blame here too, but 2 seasons of late season collapses in a really embarrassing manner demands changes be made to this coaching staff. That last game against was grounds for his dismissal, one of the worst performances in a big game I have ever seen this team play in my life.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Julien had a full year to mesh this D into at least an adequate group, he didn't. Once again I will bring up the Flyers and that joke of a D, their new coach figured out a way to make it work, this even after losing their #2 man for the year ( Del Zotto) and the trade of Schenn, why does CJ deserve another pass after last season's disaster of a season ? Julien's trademark is his vaunted system which is supposed to mask defensive problems, it worked well when he first came to Boston, the game has changed, it is faster, less clutching and grabbing is tolerated, mobility is now the requisite skill most required, yet Julien still has his presence for big slow lumbering D-men, it doesn't work anymore. Is he fully to blame ? Of course not, management gets blame here too, but 2 seasons of late season collapses in a really embarrassing manner demands changes be made to this coaching staff. That last game against was grounds for his dismissal, one of the worst performances in a big game I have ever seen this team play in my life.

have a really hard time disagreeing with this. People keep pointing to the roster and while it certainly has its flaws there were teams that did more with less.

 

[Ratty]

Perhaps upper management is being deliberative in weighing its options. Claude still has, what two or three years left on a contract paying him $2,500,000. per? The payoff, plus having to pay another coach who should command north of $1,000,000, makes me wonder that a decision is going to be well thought out. If his salary counted against the Cap, no doubt, Claude slips out the back door on Causeway St.

 

[GordonHowe]

Is it possible, that JJ and Co. are firing management and there is nobody around to actually fire him?

I'd like that. Don Maloney is available. And he knows how to pinch pennies.

A match made in heaven.

 

[Spooner st]

Perhaps upper management is being deliberative in weighing its options. Claude still has, what two or three years left on a contract paying him $2,500,000. per? The payoff, plus having to pay another coach who should command north of $1,000,000, makes me wonder that a decision is going to be well thought out. If his salary counted against the Cap, no doubt, Claude slips out the back door on Causeway St.

Here's more options.

POLL
Who deserves more blame for the way this season unfolded?

4% Claude Julien
(174 votes)
75% Don Sweeney and Cam Neely
(3500 votes)
9% Ownership
(406 votes)
12% The Players
(579 votes)
4659 votes total

 

[GordonHowe]

If I was Julien I'd tell upper management to just **** off, you want me gone then grown a pair & fire me. I would not give them the satisfaction of resigning, not after the way they let him twist in the wind for 2 months last year trying to make up their minds whether to keep or fire him.

Righteous, BMC!

I hope he does, too. Then Claude can give them a richly deserved Ference Salute & kick their ass four times a year in OTT.

 

[GordonHowe]

If Claude is going to be fired, at least do it early in the off season so the guy can find a job. Guy was left dangling in the wind last year with no idea what was going on.

He'll be hired in a nanosecond. Bank.

 

[Latrappe]

Came across this, currently take it with salt

@MikeSetta22: Heard from a source that Claude Julien will be fired by the #Bruins and that #Ottawa will be looking to Julien to be their new coach

Well,they will ask Claude to do the exit interviews and then fire him. Make no sense but it's hapenning in Boston, so....

 

[ODAAT]

He'll be hired in a nanosecond. Bank.

by an Eastern Conference team who he guides into the TD and beats em soundly

 

[HockeyMomx2]

Seriously, all this Ottawa fan presence should tell Bruins fans that it would be a bad idea to let him go.

But, I get the change of scenario thing too.

I think there's just a loud and vocal minority who actually want him gone. I for one do not. Make the changes that need to be made to this roster between now and the start of next season and if we're in the same boat this time next yea.r or heck even half way through the season? Go for it. Until then, I don't think he should go anywhere.

 

[njbruin*]

I think there's just a loud and vocal minority who actually want him gone. I for one do not. Make the changes that need to be made to this roster between now and the start of next season and if we're in the same boat this time next yea.r or heck even half way through the season? Go for it. Until then, I don't think he should go anywhere.

Mid way through the season no quality coaches are available and that sets the whole process back another two years. He should have been before this season, there's no reason to keep him now.

 

[GordonHowe]

by an Eastern Conference team who he guides into the TD and beats em soundly

I would laugh my ass off.

If they kick Julien to the curb, they deserve everything they get. And make no mistake. He *will* be successful, wherever he goes. If he lands in the East, he will be a thorn in their side for years to come.

 

[Speed Shooter]

He'll be hired in a nanosecond. Bank.

I keep hearing this.

So what?

PC was hired pretty quick after BOS pink slip.

How'd Year 1 of his reign in Oil country go?

Just because a guy is quickly snatched means jack to situation at hand.

Should he be let go?

Clode named Head Coach - track record begins
2008 impressive round one showing, push favored Habs to GM 7.....but still lose.
2009 choke job vs Canes in round 2, OT loss at home in GM 7
2010 choke job vs Flyers, lose 4 straight despite being up 3-0 in series AND 3-0 score at home in GM 7.
2011 The Year of Glory
2012 choke job vs Caps in round 1, lose GM 7 in OT
2013 choke job vs Hawks in SC, Gm 6 at home give up 2 goals with 2 min left.
2014 choke job vs Habs, Gm 7 at home.
2015 end of season choke job, DNQ for PO.
2016 end of season choke job, DNQ for PO, BLOWN OUT at home in game 82 with chance to clinch
BONUS: Pitiful Winter Classic showing

Remove Cup year and the remaining body of work under Claude is littered with choke jobs and awful showings when games matter most.

 

[ReggieMoto]

Noisy minority always seems larger than they actually are. The local poll reflects the same sentiment as the Stanley Cup of Chowder poll: Claude Julien isn't the problem. Upper mgmt is.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Mid way through the season no quality coaches are available and that sets the whole process back another two years. He should have been before this season, there's no reason to keep him now.

Pretty much. It doesn't matter if he gets a job somewhere else right away or not... this team needs to move on.

 

[njbruin*]

Says you. You know where the tobin bridge is right ?

Yep , right where you and the Claude lovers will be if he's fired.

 

[NinthSpoke06]

I hope we fire Claude. It's time for change here. Period. That's it.

Not because he is bad. Not because he sucks. It's time for the Bruins and Claude to both go their separate ways. Sometimes change is just needed.

 

[since76]

I keep hearing this.

So what?

PC was hired pretty quick after BOS pink slip.

How'd Year 1 of his reign in Oil country go?

Just because a guy is quickly snatched means jack to situation at hand.

Should he be let go?

Clode named Head Coach - track record begins
2008 impressive round one showing, push favored Habs to GM 7.....but still lose.
2009 choke job vs Canes in round 2, OT loss at home in GM 7
2010 choke job vs Flyers, lose 4 straight despite being up 3-0 in series AND 3-0 score at home in GM 7.
2011 The Year of Glory
2012 choke job vs Caps in round 1, lose GM 7 in OT
2013 choke job vs Hawks in SC, Gm 6 at home give up 2 goals with 2 min left.
2014 choke job vs Habs, Gm 7 at home.
2015 end of season choke job, DNQ for PO.
2016 end of season choke job, DNQ for PO, BLOWN OUT at home in game 82 with chance to clinch
BONUS: Pitiful Winter Classic showing

Remove Cup year and the remaining body of work under Claude is littered with choke jobs and awful showings when games matter most.

100% agree
Except the year where timi thomas had one of the best goalie performance in history, clode is a loser and ultimate chocker in playoffs
Clode is someone only because of tim thomas, all the rest is terrible deception and very often against worst teams

 

[BruinDust]

I keep hearing this.

So what?

PC was hired pretty quick after BOS pink slip.

How'd Year 1 of his reign in Oil country go?

Just because a guy is quickly snatched means jack to situation at hand.

Should he be let go?

Clode named Head Coach - track record begins
2008 impressive round one showing, push favored Habs to GM 7.....but still lose.
2009 choke job vs Canes in round 2, OT loss at home in GM 7
2010 choke job vs Flyers, lose 4 straight despite being up 3-0 in series AND 3-0 score at home in GM 7.
2011 The Year of Glory
2012 choke job vs Caps in round 1, lose GM 7 in OT
2013 choke job vs Hawks in SC, Gm 6 at home give up 2 goals with 2 min left.
2014 choke job vs Habs, Gm 7 at home.
2015 end of season choke job, DNQ for PO.
2016 end of season choke job, DNQ for PO, BLOWN OUT at home in game 82 with chance to clinch
BONUS: Pitiful Winter Classic showing

Remove Cup year and the remaining body of work under Claude is littered with choke jobs and awful showings when games matter most.

You can spin this a lot of ways:

2008: One win away from upsetting a heavily favored Habs team
2009: One goal away from Eastern Finals
2010: One win away from Eastern Finals
2011: One goal away from 1st Round knock-out
2012: One goal away from 2nd rd.
2013: One goal away from 1st Round knock-out
2014: One win away from Eastern Finals
2015 One win away from 8th straight playoff appearances
2016: One point away from 9 straight playoff appearances if they got in last year.

2010 Bonus: Winter Classic OT win at home

The point being you can look at Claude Julien's body of work many different ways. The line between his success and failures is very very fine.

I think he's a great coach. I question his system at times ( I think it's too easy to plan against it) and his usage of certain players. I also think it kept the Bruins in games they otherwise wouldn't of won. Until this year beating the Bruins badly was a very hard thing to do. If they lost, it mostly wasn't by much.

I am not for or against firing Julien. He's partially to blame as is management and the players.

There is no easy answer here. It's certainly not cut and dry like some make it out to be.