Management Claude Julien - Mod Warning post 643

[ODAAT]

One thing to keep in mind is that Clode is a coach who likes to give his assistants a great deal of autonomy over certain areas. Bringing in new assistants with new voices doesn't seem like a big deal on the surface, but it could provide a noticeable improvement in the team.

great point

I find it funny so many here wishing CJ showed the door relieved that his name will no longer be in contention to coach the Sens

 

[bbfan419]

I can't believe Humpty Dumpty is still standing in Boston after his two great falls.

 

[ODAAT]

I can't believe Humpty Dumpty is still standing in Boston after his two great falls.

I can

That`s all I got

 

[SPLBRUIN]

I can't believe Humpty Dumpty is still standing in Boston after his two great falls.

Sounds like Julien has a job for life as long as Sweeney's around.

 

[LSCII]

I feel like firing Julien would have been the reactionary thing to do. You can argue not being deadline sellers was reactionary, but how on earth to you sell when you are in 2nd place in the conference? Even then, they hedged and the only thing they gave up of real value was a 2nd they will replace from EDM.

See, here's the issue I have with what went down. You don't sell at the deadline, and actually acquire, so that means you think this team is a playoff team. Flat out. But yet when that team craps the bed horrendously down the stretch and you don't fire the coach, you're saying it's really not a playoff team, because that's the only way you can absolve the coach from any blame. Which is it? Is this a playoff team or is it a non playoff team?

So when I say reactionary, I'm talking about the flip flopping on how they view the team seemingly depending on the day.

 

[nORRis8]

Meanwhile back in Ottawa....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d30Y0n1nDH4

 

[NeelyDan]

Super happy.

 

[bbfan419]

Sounds like Julien has a job for life as long as Sweeney's around.

Looks that way, he had Chia under his spell and now Sweeney too, maybe someday DS will be gone and Claude still here.

 

[Spanky185]

So we wasted a year of kids development because Claude was "coaching for his job" and was retained anyway.

My faith in this team is completely shot

 

[Rocko604]

I am glad that they're not using him as a scapegoat. But, I hope his assistants are fired, especially Houda, as well as Neely.

 

[BMC]

Craig Ramsay....get er done

Is he available???? If he is yeah, grab him

 

[Hali33]

I think it was the right decision not to fire him.

 

[Latrappe]

Right move was made. It was refreshing to see Sweeney taking ownership from his "mistakes". Humility is not something that we used to see in Boston. While i think that the team just need a little more changes then Sweeney seems to think, i'm very confident that good things will happen. The willingness is there and the smart guy ( Sweeney ) won over the "emotionnal" guy (Neely). I was damn sure that Jacobs would have blown the whole thing again but... i was dead wrong... Maybe it's time to buy a lottery ticket.

 

[Spooner st]

Today is a good day.
There is hope.

 

[BsEuphoria]

Definitely all of the assistants faults the way the end of this year went down the same as last year....

Although it would have been one year late, this team really needed a big breath of fresh air to come through this locker room.

If they want to start putting the blame on some of the players as well, maybe they should start with the guy wearing the "C".

Everyone and everything eventually has a shelf life. I love a lot of the great things Clode has brought us but his style is becoming further from the direction the league is heading every year.

 

[njbruin*]

Today is a good day.
There is hope.

How can hope spring from nothing changing.

Oh no I'm sorry Doug Houda was fired - now there's real hope.

 

[bruins repeat time]

It is really plain and simple. If Claude was deemed the right guy by Don in the summer and he had no issues with who Claude wanted to play than he is obviously still the right guy. We traded top players for youth which is fine but we were obviously way worse on paper this yr. The funniest parts about these boards is everyones assumptions that it is Claude who wants certain players playing---today should put that to rest but it wont that Don is 100 percent behind him.

The second funniest thing is that Claude is some dinosaur unique coach. They all are defense and three zones first. Trotz , Quennville Sutter ---all of them. The biggest difference is we don't have a very open type talented team like Chicago but Quenville basically coaches the same way. For us to try to open up with most teams would be a living nightmare. You want to change that you have to get rid of everyone because trust me bergy is a far higher up in the center world than his actual skating shooting stickhandling takes him. Our team is built around grinding. We always have been. You can slowly change that but we are miles and miles away from that and a full rebuild would've been way to go to make that happen faster but it wasn't chosen so relax and enjoy things.

 

[Spooner st]

How can hope spring from nothing changing.

Oh no I'm sorry Doug Houda was fired - now there's real hope.

See... in my world today it's sunny, warm, bbq wings, cold IPA, good news and hope.

 

[njbruin*]

It is really plain and simple. If Claude was deemed the right guy by Don in the summer and he had no issues with who Claude wanted to play than he is obviously still the right guy. We traded top players for youth which is fine but we were obviously way worse on paper this yr. The funniest parts about these boards is everyones assumptions that it is Claude who wants certain players playing---today should put that to rest but it wont that Don is 100 percent behind him.

The second funniest thing is that Claude is some dinosaur unique coach. They all are defense and three zones first. Trotz , Quennville Sutter ---all of them. The biggest difference is we don't have a very open type talented team like Chicago but Quenville basically coaches the same way. For us to try to open up with most teams would be a living nightmare. You want to change that you have to get rid of everyone because trust me bergy is a far higher up in the center world than his actual skating shooting stickhandling takes him. Our team is built around grinding. We always have been. You can slowly change that but we are miles and miles away from that and a full rebuild would've been way to go to make that happen faster but it wasn't chosen so relax and enjoy things.

If that's the case then the roster needs a major overhaul - Krejci, Pasta, Vatrano, Spooner, Morrrow, Cmiller , Loui are not suited to that style .Chara at this point is softer than a marshmallow , Seids couldn't catch a parked car to hit it I can't see where this team in anywhere close to being suited to play the style you state,

 

[bruins repeat time]

If that's the case then the roster needs a major overhaul - Krejci, Pasta, Vatrano, Spooner, Morrrow, Cmiller , Loui are not suited to that style .Chara at this point is softer than a marshmallow , Seids couldn't catch a parked car to hit it I can't see where this team in anywhere close to being suited to play the style you state,

I am not sure what you are saying. We cant currently ice a team that will be built on skating, stick handling etc. that would be any good at all.We won with a grinding team and you still can as long as its fast enough. Our better dman have always been strong but not fast etc. I know you think we are keeping morrow from winning a Norris but here is a secret just because you can skate etc it doesn't make you a great nhl player.

If you want a hawk type of team , now I am not saying we cant have a winner but I am just talking talent a full rebuild would've been a quicker route and that would've meant trading every guy with value over 25 last yr.

We can slowly add in guys and change that style long term but here is the key it is the core that tells that tale. It isn't k miller Kelly mcquaid etc every team including Chicago has those guys. Our core forwards and Dman are a hard working grinding type not a over the top talent type of some of the teams .

 

[njbruin*]

I am not sure what you are saying. We cant currently ice a team that will be built on skating, stick handling etc. that would be any good at all.We won with a grinding team and you still can as long as its fast enough. Our better dman have always been strong but not fast etc. I know you think we are keeping morrow from winning a Norris but here is a secret just because you can skate etc it doesn't make you a great nhl player.

If you want a hawk type of team , now I am not saying we cant have a winner but I am just talking talent a full rebuild would've been a quicker route and that would've meant trading every guy with value over 25 last yr.

We can slowly add in guys and change that style long term but here is the key it is the core that tells that tale. It isn't k miller Kelly mcquaid etc every team including Chicago has those guys. Our core forwards and Dman are a hard working grinding type not a over the top talent type of some of the teams .

So let's look at the core - Chara - done toast , he'll be even slower next year. Krejci - coming off another hip surgery , yeah he's suited for grinding . Rask - The GM just kind of left him out to dry. So that leaves Marchy & Bergy two very good players fit to play Claude's style. This team is probably further away from a fit to Claude's system then its ever been since he's been here.

 

[BsEuphoria]

If that's the case then the roster needs a major overhaul - Krejci, Pasta, Vatrano, Spooner, Morrrow, Cmiller , Loui are not suited to that style .Chara at this point is softer than a marshmallow , Seids couldn't catch a parked car to hit it I can't see where this team in anywhere close to being suited to play the style you state,

And not just that, look at the drafting we've done.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

What I feel like saying to Sens fans now that they don't get Claude:

 

[bruins repeat time]

To make it simple the ducks are a true grinding team that is also fast enough where as the hawks are more flash and talent. Both can be successful and are not coached that different it is just the core of each team especially the forwards are nothing a like. Both are really good . The ducks happen to be big and strong but no one can win on that alone .

The bruins although very different are built far far more like the ducks. We have to follow that path with out a major major overhaul. Putting morrow in for miller and a few of those type changes doesn't really change things.

 

[incidental otter]

See, here's the issue I have with what went down. You don't sell at the deadline, and actually acquire, so that means you think this team is a playoff team. Flat out. But yet when that team craps the bed horrendously down the stretch and you don't fire the coach, you're saying it's really not a playoff team, because that's the only way you can absolve the coach from any blame. Which is it? Is this a playoff team or is it a non playoff team?

So when I say reactionary, I'm talking about the flip flopping on how they view the team seemingly depending on the day.

Sweeney said during the season, and again in today's whoopdedo, that he thought the team was "not complete", but a playoff team. He's been consistent with that.

He also said during the press conference that he wants his players to be self-motivated. Given that, and the fact that Claude still has a job, leads me to believe Sweeney places the onus on the players to perform their best when the puck drops. That he buys the "they're professional athletes, and don't need rah-rah speeches" school of thought.

Seen that way, there's no flip-flopping, no contradiction.