Management Claude Julien - Mod Warning post 643

[NDiesel]

Super happy he's back, no coach was going to help this team more

 

[bruins repeat time]

So let's look at the core - Chara - done toast , he'll be even slower next year. Krejci - coming off another hip surgery , yeah he's suited for grinding . Rask - The GM just kind of left him out to dry. So that leaves Marchy & Bergy two very good players fit to play Claude's style. This team is probably further away from a fit to Claude's system then its ever been since he's been here.

Like it or not chara is your 1 and although even the great dman are grinders daughty , keith I think we can agree even in his prime offense and puck moving wasn't near these guys. Seids has also been a higher end. Bergy marchy luc in the past. D.K is highly talented in the passing department but he isn't the fastest skater or the greatest shot .

I think we all agree we need to change a few things its just you guys seems pre occupied with the lower end dman or really think you have more than you actually have in guys like morrow. I personally think Colin has a future with this team but I don't think he is a 1 or 2 . We chose to go HALF REBUILD , this wasn't my choice it was Don S so we are always going to be trying to Win not just throw a bunch of kids out and see what floats. This team needs a 1 or 2 dman but they aren't easy to come by and we don't have any in our organization that are close to becoming that . The ones that could be are too young . They need time I am just pretty sure there names aren't joe colin or zack . I am not knocking those guys I am just saying they aren't the solution like you think they are.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

I'm glad he's still here.

 

[njbruin*]

Like it or not chara is your 1 and although even the great dman are grinders daughty , keith I think we can agree even in his prime offense and puck moving wasn't near these guys. Seids has also been a higher end. Bergy marchy luc in the past. D.K is highly talented in the passing department but he isn't the fastest skater or the greatest shot .

I think we all agree we need to change a few things its just you guys seems pre occupied with the lower end dman or really think you have more than you actually have in guys like morrow. I personally think Colin has a future with this team but I don't think he is a 1 or 2 . We chose to go HALF REBUILD , this wasn't my choice it was Don S so we are always going to be trying to Win not just throw a bunch of kids out and see what floats. This team needs a 1 or 2 dman but they aren't easy to come by and we don't have any in our organization that are close to becoming that . The ones that could be are too young . They need time I am just pretty sure there names aren't joe colin or zack . I am not knocking those guys I am just saying they aren't the solution like you think they are.

Again I'll state this - As currently constructed this team is no better suited to run Juliens' system than it is to run an uptempo one. I also look at the aging players and know they will need to be replaced shortly - does Donnie overhaul the roster with grinders and slower footed safe defensive players - or does he move more to an quick transition open style offense. Looking at his draft picks and signings seems to favor the open style - so then why is Claude still the coach

 

[Blowfish]

Cool so who will be named the temporary assistant coach?

 

[SerenityRick]

I'm pleasantly surprised.

I honestly believe this team would be set back at LEAST 2 years if they fired Claude and had to learn a new system under someone else. And with Bergeron in his prime, those are very precious years.

Sweeney needs to get Claude some help though. Especially on the back end.

 

[duffy]

I am not sure what you are saying. We cant currently ice a team that will be built on skating, stick handling etc. that would be any good at all.We won with a grinding team and you still can as long as its fast enough. Our better dman have always been strong but not fast etc. I know you think we are keeping morrow from winning a Norris but here is a secret just because you can skate etc it doesn't make you a great nhl player.

If you want a hawk type of team , now I am not saying we cant have a winner but I am just talking talent a full rebuild would've been a quicker route and that would've meant trading every guy with value over 25 last yr.

We can slowly add in guys and change that style long term but here is the key it is the core that tells that tale. It isn't k miller Kelly mcquaid etc every team including Chicago has those guys. Our core forwards and Dman are a hard working grinding type not a over the top talent type of some of the teams .

I can't for the life of me believe you said Chicago has MIller/McQuade types on their roster. No team in professional hockey has 2 D playing in their top six that can accomplish as much with a broom as a stick. That's including the AHL. I'll give you Kelly is probably an equal on many teams but Kelly is not our problem. D that are slow and can't pass, shoot , or clear their zone is our problem.
I was all for CJ being replaced but not heart broken he wasn't as
long as DS takes his safety nets away by ridding the B's of useless D and forcing CJ to play puck moving guys over D who's only asset is blocking shots.
Not one of the top ranked teams have even 1 player that handle the puck as ineptly as Chara, Mc quade, Miller and Siedenburg,
Don't get me wrong I love Chara and Siedenberg as players but that was 4+ years ago and these guys are toast. Age does not discriminate. We have good forwards and goal tending as long as Someone/Anyone tells Tuukka he sucks at handling the puck and should spend his energy stopping the puck.
Duffy in Mineville.

 

[DitClapper]

Is Joe Sacco gone? He's a curse.

 

[finchster]

I am happy, not because Claude is the coach, but because Sweeney has autonomy. I was hard on Sweeney last summer, well I am willing to give him a break to see what he can do without Cam Neely making decisions.

 

[FRANK CANNON]

*****ing brutal.

Claude has a job for life results be damned.

 

[Spanky185]

*****ing brutal.

Claude has a job for life results be damned.

Amazing that he's skating while they've canned a GM and now likely a president.

They should have changed assistant coaches last year at the very very least and fired him this year. But now we're going to get to watch them waste two years of this rebuild with claudes system.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

With the new title of this thread I only wish Claude did this at the press conference today.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Are his orders going to be squeak into the playoffs (and probably miss) or develop your players? If it's the latter, I have faith in him, he did it with many of the guys on our team now. If it's the former... we'll stay with mediocrity; and having to develop players once he's gone.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Couldn't be happier that Claude is back. Let's give him a competitive roster before we let him go for not making the playoffs.

 

[bp13]

Are his orders going to be squeak into the playoffs (and probably miss) or develop your players? If it's the latter, I have faith in him, he did it with many of the guys on our team now. If it's the former... we'll stay with mediocrity; and having to develop players once he's gone.

I understand this view and I shared it last season, but with Sweeney once again confirming Julien as coach, isn't this particular issue now 100% on Sweeney?

Sweeney knows the kinds of players Julien prefers (though the typical narratives are often grossly exaggerated or downright false, he does feel the net value of smarter veterans is there over higher-risk players). If Sweeney wants the coach to "develop" younger players and he doesn't care as much about next year's playoff hopes, then Sweeney needs to ensure there aren't safer, veteran options. We are probably way past the point where that is on Claude. Way past it.

Claude coaches the way he feels he needs to to win, and the GM has had a chance to fire him twice and passed. At this point Sweeney is on board with Julien's decisions. And if we see more Kevan Millers, I think 100% of the blame goes to Sweeney.

 

[ChargersRookie]

Once he meet with the players individually for the season end chat there was not a chance he would be fired. Would Sweeney fire him then? I think things would have been sad going forward for his job.

 

[shackattack]

The problem is defence.No coach could win with what he had.Glad Houda gone though.Bring in someone with more experience.Sweeney needs to find help this summer.

 

[The Dangly One]

God so frustrating. You can't say he coached the team up and ignore the epic collapses last two years. The last two endings to the season are a fireable offense. Hell they thought long and hard about firing him last season. He didn't get the most out of his players when it mattered most

 

[The Dangly One]

The problem is defence.No coach could win with what he had.Glad Houda gone though.Bring in someone with more experience.Sweeney needs to find help this summer.

He had them winning for the majority of the year.

 

[shackattack]

He had them winning for the majority of the year.

Winning what? They missed playoffs.Defence was brutal.Only team plus to miss.Sweeney needs to add help.And I really believe Carlo right now is better then Kevin Miller or McQuaid.Thats how bad those 2 are.

 

[The Dangly One]

Winning what? They missed playoffs.Defence was brutal.Only team plus to miss.Sweeney needs to add help.And I really believe Carlo right now is better then Kevin Miller or McQuaid.Thats how bad those 2 are.

Didn't you hear? Kevan Miller had a good season.

They were good enough to make the playoffs. He won games all year. They got off to bad start and he failed at the end of the season twice.

 

[NewJackEdwards]

He had them winning for the majority of the year.

Exactly. This team exceeded expectations and fell apart at the end when the schedule got tougher. Do you really think another coach would have had this group that close to a playoff spot?

 

[The Dangly One]

Exactly. This team exceeded expectations and fell apart at the end when the schedule got tougher. Do you really think another coach would have had this group that close to a playoff spot?

Devils, Leafs, Hurricanes, Wings, Ottawa? Real tough. They lost the games they should have lost and then lost the games they should won.

I hate the argument about what another coach would have done. You and I have no clue what another coach would have done. But we know what Claude has done the last two and it's pathetic the way the team has played

 

[NewJackEdwards]

Devils, Leafs, Hurricanes, Wings, Ottawa? Real tough. They lost the games they should have lost and then lost the games they should won.

I hate the argument about what another coach would have done. You and I have no clue what another coach would have done. But we know what Claude has done the last two and it's pathetic the way the team has played

So to you, none of the blame is on management for giving the coach a laughable defense?

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

The Anti-Claude crowd continues to place so much emphasis on how just having barely made the playoffs and somehow squeezing blood out of these stones would have been the only way for Claude to have shown his mettle, that he is indeed a good coach.

I find that a bit pathetic. Would that have really done it for you? Meant anything?

The refusal to see our current crop of players for what they are (in some ways, more AHL than NHL) and certainly not among the top of the NHL skill chain, to blame the team's failures on Claude's inability to wrest every ounce of performance out of such a group, and to not admit that the odds were extremely against anything but a one and done even if they had squeaked in, is both perplexing and mildly irritating.

Claude is not infallible, but he is a very good coach. In 2011, the same guy running largely the same system, but with better players, won us a Cup. Does that tell you anything?