Management Claude Julien - Mod Warning post 643

[jgatie]

Never addressed directly to me. I answered to specific post, with direct answer. The history lesson is yours alone.

Reader's Digest version:

Kessel had glaring holes in his game and was an odd duck, Seguin was traded for off-ice reasons. Both said Claude made them better players.

Hamilton wanted out of the US, not just Boston.

 

[LouJersey]

Definition of small sample size above

Three of the four most important games to close the season. Couldn't do it when it mattered. Now, on Claude or the players? I'd say players, but Claude certainly didn't switch up much.

 

[LouJersey]

Yes you are right, when a coach has a talented team and can't get the most out of it he should get canned. Give him crap and the opposite should be true when he got the most out of said team.

This defensive corps this year was absolute crap and no one can blame Julien for that.

Were they crap when leading the division late in the season?

 

[jgatie]

Were they crap when leading the division late in the season?

The defense? This defense would be crap if they won the Stanley Freaking Cup. Overachieving more than any other D in history crap, but still crap.

 

[LouJersey]

Bruins has 3 wins this season when trailing after 2 periods.

If the offense was so prolific as those seem to claim , wouldn't you expect that number to be much higher. The Bruins racked up goals when they were comfortably ahead in games but when they needed offense they couldn't produce. To me stats don't prove crap w/o looking at the situational breakdowns.

Sure the Bruins were top 5 in goals scored , but in what situations did they score them.

They also were 16th in winning percentage when leading after one. 15th when leading after two. 17th in win percentage when scoring first. 17th when opponents scored first.

 

[LouJersey]

The defense? This defense would be crap if they won the Stanley Freaking Cup. Overachieving more than any other D in history crap, but still crap.

Ah ok, just trying to be clear. Strange how I never read any, "We are in first place but I bet we miss the play-offs with this crappy defense."

 

[Fire Sweeney]

 

[LSCII]

I suppose it was Claudes fault that all the two and three ones that either missed the net or hit the goalie in the chest..

Seriously? That's your takeaway in this example? Scott asked for examples that explain the scoring and I provide a 12 game sample during their collapse that shows they scored 9 goals in 8 of those games and compiled 18 goals in the remaining 4, and you can't even acknowledge it without trying to absolve Claude of any part of that?

 

[jgatie]

Ah ok, just trying to be clear. Strange how I never read any, "We are in first place but I bet we miss the play-offs with this crappy defense."

If you didn't see people complaining about this crappy defense all year, I question if you were actually reading posts. Everything else about the team may have been highly situational, but one rock solid consistent theme from day 1 was the crappy defense.

 

[EverettMike]

So do I.

 

[LouJersey]

The defense? This defense would be crap if they won the Stanley Freaking Cup. Overachieving more than any other D in history crap, but still crap.

Could it also be the 2.37 goals scoring average for the final 19 games of the season?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Saw this earlier.

Can't say I blame him much, given the circumstances. He has been in the AHL for three seasons and almost 200 games and has averaged .087 ppg, yet has never really gotten a fair look (imo) while he sees other players come up and stick.

He will probably do the Hopak if Clode is fired.

 

[LouJersey]

If you didn't see people complaining about this crappy defense all year, I question if you were actually reading posts. Everything else about the team may have been highly situational, but one rock solid consistent theme from day 1 was the crappy defense.

Must have missed all that while reading how great this team was during that time. Not one person questioned if this team makes the play-offs for 90% of the season. Just the beginning and end from what I recall.

 

[LSCII]

Yes you are right, when a coach has a talented team and can't get the most out of it he should get canned. Give him crap and the opposite should be true when he got the most out of said team.

This defensive corps this year was absolute crap and no one can blame Julien for that.

Except for the fact that he picked what players to play, and how much time to give them per night. You know, aside from those little things, you're right, he had nothing to do with the defense being suspect...

 

[jgatie]

Could it also be the 2.37 goals scoring average for the final 19 games of the season?

Sure. But that may be the players, it may be the coach, it may be anything. Cherry pick it any way you want. Still doesn't mean the defense isn't total crap. Also doesn't mean anything against the fact that over an entire season, the "system" consistently outscores the opponents by a significant margin.

 

[LouJersey]

I have always liked Koko but he genuinely seemed to play like he deserved to be here and not like he was fighting for a spot. Guys like Accairi, Vatrano, Pasta in his rookie year really seemed to bust it, Koko not so much.

Claude I'm sure never expected him to light it up scoring but most nights he played he was in the screen of the TV but never doing anything.

 

[jgatie]

Must have missed all that while reading how great this team was during that time. Not one person questioned if this team makes the play-offs for 90% of the season. Just the beginning and end from what I recall.

Yes, you must have missed them. Because despite any cheerleading going on, the crappy defense was always a caveat for this team. If the "Despite the D, we may have a chance to steal a round or 2" or "We are first in the division, despite having one of the worst defenses in the league" themes don't ring a bell, then I don't know what to say.

 

[LouJersey]

Sure. But that may be the players, it may be the coach, it may be anything. Cherry pick it any way you want. Still doesn't mean the defense isn't total crap. Also doesn't mean anything against the fact that over an entire season, the "system" consistently outscores the opponents by a significant margin.

Then why when you take the shootout number out did the Bruins outscore their opponents in 38 games and get outscored in 38 games?

 

[GoBs]

so what your saying is they scored by committee because management didn't give Claude any star offensive players. And with the lack of star players Claude was still able to make a team of grinders into one of the powerhouse offensive teams in the NHL of most of his time here.

ya that guy and his system suck. Its been 9 years of lucky bounces off players rear ends that kept the bruins as one of the most consistent offensive teams in the NHL. right.

I will say it for you.
The Seguin trade maybe the worst trade ever made in the history of the NHL. When you take into consideration Seguin's Age, Potential, two cup appearances and his contract.

 

[LouJersey]

Yes, you must have missed them. Because despite any cheerleading going on, the crappy defense was always a caveat for this team. If the "Despite the D, we may have a chance to steal a round or 2" or "We are first in the division, despite having one of the worst defenses in the league" themes don't ring a bell, then I don't know what to say.

OK but never, "Man with this defense we are surely going to choke down the stretch again."

 

[LouJersey]

I'm all for giving Claude another shot but at what point do you fire him? The entire NHL seems to be going uptempo and the last three seasons Claude has one play-off series win. Do you rebuild and let him oversee that the next 4-7 years or so?

 

[jgatie]

Then why when you take the shootout number out did the Bruins outscore their opponents in 38 games and get outscored in 38 games?

Because I stupidly was unclear in my point. I was speaking about the goal differential in the multiple seasons the "system" has been in place. Only a fool would argue that this season was a success.

 

[jgatie]

OK but never, "Man with this defense we are surely going to choke down the stretch again."

Yeah, people who were in first place enjoyed being in first place despite the flaws, and didn't predict a collapse. That's just human nature. You stated there was nobody complaining about the crappy defense when we were first in the division when there most certainly were. Period. If you want to keep moving goalposts from there, find someone else to debate.

 

[Mpasta]

Must have missed all that while reading how great this team was during that time. Not one person questioned if this team makes the play-offs for 90% of the season. Just the beginning and end from what I recall.

I agree with you but I questioned if the team would make the playoffs 100% of the season due to them not winning when they really need to recently. I put a lot of that on the coach.

 

[Scotto74]

Could it also be the 2.37 goals scoring average for the final 19 games of the season?

so did the system change over the final 19 games or did the players stop executing the system? which do you think is more likely? My opinion is it was the players due to lack of talent and lack of heart.