Value of: Claude Giroux to Calgary

[FlyguyOX]

Being reported by NRD that Fletcher has the price set very high right now (understandably).

Good top young prospect forward that can step in and play immediately.
B level prospect
1st

so
Pelletier
Phillips
1st

 

[C0DITH]

I can imagine the Flyers would have a high price on G, especially if they're going to eat $$.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Probably Pelletier along with a late 1st.

I don't think a 33 year old Giroux as a pending UFA gets both a Grade A and a 1st. Stone in a sign/trade got Brannstrom and a 2nd. If you dissagree, can you show a few examples were a pending UFA got both a Grade A and a 1st? I'm curious to see how often that happens

 

[DFF]

Being reported by NRD that Fletcher has the price set very high right now (understandably).

Good top young prospect forward that can step in and play immediately.
B level prospect
1st

so
Pelletier
Phillips
1st

You can ask anything. The Flames is not in the position to give that much.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Being reported by NRD that Fletcher has the price set very high right now (understandably).

Good top young prospect forward that can step in and play immediately.
B level prospect
1st

so
Pelletier
Phillips
1st

Why couldn't the Sens get that with Stone in a sign/trade? That price is set very high, no doubt

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Being reported by NRD that Fletcher has the price set very high right now (understandably).

Good top young prospect forward that can step in and play immediately.
B level prospect
1st

so
Pelletier
Phillips
1st

People thinking they are getting Pelletier for a rental are out of their minds. Maybe go look up the AHL leaderboard first

 

[Habs Halifax]

You can ask anything. The Flames is not in the position to give that much.

It's a very high price. From what I recall, you don't see a 1st and Grade A traded for a pending UFA. Not saying it's impossible but it's rare

 

[DFF]

It's a very high price. From what I recall, you don't see a 1st and Grade A traded for a pending UFA. Not saying it's impossible but it's rare

Yeah and the Flames is not one player from winning it all

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah and the Flames is not one player from winning it all

I like the Flames this year. They are rolling lines and are gritty in the trenches where they got pieces that can burn you offensively. I can see them doing damage like the Habs did but I agree, I would not mortgage the future for a Pending UFA at this point in time.

* Flames are top 5 in team Defense
* Flames are 13th in team Offense
* Flames are 10th in PP%
* Flames are 5th in PK%

You could use Giroux but not at that cost.

 

[DFF]

I like the Flames this year. They are rolling lines and are gritty in the trenches where they got pieces that can burn you offensively. I can see them doing damage like the Habs did but I agree, I would not mortgage the future for a Pending UFA at this point in time.

* Flames are top 5 in team Defense
* Flames are 13th in team Offense
* Flames are 10th in PP%
* Flames are 5th in PK%

You could use Giroux but not at that cost.

I agreed, they have a shot but they are not going to be a favorite because of a 33 yrs old guy. Not worth the risk. Now I would have done it for Eichel, but not Giroux one and done.

 

[BritainStix]

People thinking they are getting Pelletier for a rental are out of their minds. Maybe go look up the AHL leaderboard first

People thinking you are getting one of the best players in the league for nothing short of an overpayment are also out of their minds.

 

[Double Dion]

People thinking you are getting one of the best players in the league for nothing short of an overpayment are also out of their minds.

I like Giroux. I'd probably have him slightly higher than Taylor Hall. Hall returned a warm body and a 2nd round pick. I think Giroux returns a 1st, but you're asking for the 2nd leading scorer in the AHL at 20 years old, another top 10 AHL scorer and a 1st. That's comparable to the Eichel return for 3 months of Giroux.

 

[Big guns]

People thinking you are getting one of the best players in the league for nothing short of an overpayment are also out of their minds.

who has him in their top twenty? I sure don’t.

 

[flyerslducks]

I like Giroux. I'd probably have him slightly higher than Taylor Hall. Hall returned a warm body and a 2nd round pick. I think Giroux returns a 1st, but you're asking for the 2nd leading scorer in the AHL at 20 years old, another top 10 AHL scorer and a 1st. That's comparable to the Eichel return for 3 months of Giroux.

Eichel should’ve gotten more…flyers don’t have to accept less because sabres didn’t get more tf

 

[Bounces R Way]

People thinking you are getting one of the best players in the league for nothing short of an overpayment are also out of their minds.

I remember thinking this before we traded pending UFA Jarome Iginla, also in his mid thirties. Good times.

Giroux is definitely worth at least one A asset and something else fairly close. Don't think he'll bring in a haul much more than that.

 

[Ainsy01]

If Giroux is willing to waive to come up north, and Fletcher is willing to trade him (their core and contract situation does not suggest a rebuild, but he could always resign after I guess)

Flyers would have to retain and take cap back for the deal to work. That would make the price really high and not pretty for Calgary.

Best case scenario would be luring Fletcher away from the big 3 (Zary, Pelletier and Coronato). The 4th and 5th ranked CGY prospects are goalies, which wouldn't make sense - enter Matt Philips at 6.

To CGY: Giroux @ whatever retention is necessary, quick math says about 25-30%

To PHI: Matt Philips, 2021 first (CGY) and 2021 2nd (later of the 2 they have), Nikita Zadorov (cap purposes).

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Any opinions from Flyers fans on the below?

Monahan @ ~6.4M
2021 1st
2021 4th

for

Giroux @ ~6.4M (23% retained)

I posted it earlier in the thread and Flames fans seemed okay with it, but didn't get any feedback from Flyers fans?

 

[blankall]

Being reported by NRD that Fletcher has the price set very high right now (understandably).

Good top young prospect forward that can step in and play immediately.
B level prospect
1st

so
Pelletier
Phillips
1st

Flames, or any team for that matter, aren't giving up a prospect like Pelletier for a 33 year old rental. Pelletier looks like he will be a legit NHLer. Trading away cost controlled higher end prospects is a surefire way to mess up your franchise long term.

Phillips is a reasonable ask.

 

[Ainsy01]

Any opinions from Flyers fans on the below?

Monahan @ ~6.4M
2021 1st
2021 4th

for

Giroux @ ~6.4M (23% retained)

I posted it earlier in the thread and Flames fans seemed okay with it, but didn't get any feedback from Flyers fans?

There is a reason for this. If Fletcher sees Monahan as a potential reclamation project, the above deal would be accepted by 98% of the CGY fan base.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I like Giroux. I'd probably have him slightly higher than Taylor Hall. Hall returned a warm body and a 2nd round pick. I think Giroux returns a 1st, but you're asking for the 2nd leading scorer in the AHL at 20 years old, another top 10 AHL scorer and a 1st. That's comparable to the Eichel return for 3 months of Giroux.

Well there goes all of your credibility. Hall can't hold Giroux's jock.

 

[FlyguyOX]

If Giroux is willing to waive to come up north, and Fletcher is willing to trade him (their core and contract situation does not suggest a rebuild, but he could always resign after I guess)

Flyers would have to retain and take cap back for the deal to work. That would make the price really high and not pretty for Calgary.

Best case scenario would be luring Fletcher away from the big 3 (Zary, Pelletier and Coronato). The 4th and 5th ranked CGY prospects are goalies, which wouldn't make sense - enter Matt Philips at 6.

To CGY: Giroux @ whatever retention is necessary, quick math says about 25-30%

To PHI: Matt Philips, 2021 first (CGY) and 2021 2nd (later of the 2 they have), Nikita Zadorov (cap purposes).

Why would flyers take back zadorov when they can just retain more of G's salary and charge a higher price?

Yes a 6th best prospect and a very late 1st for the best player and captain of the flyers. Sounds reasonable.

 

[Ainsy01]

Why would flyers take back zadorov when they can just retain more of G's salary and charge a higher price?

Yes a 6th best prospect and a very late 1st for the best player and captain of the flyers. Sounds reasonable.

What would the counter offer be?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Any opinions from Flyers fans on the below?

Monahan @ ~6.4M
2021 1st
2021 4th

for

Giroux @ ~6.4M (23% retained)

I posted it earlier in the thread and Flames fans seemed okay with it, but didn't get any feedback from Flyers fans?

I can see Fletcher doing it as he holds onto false hope that this team can ever make noise in the playoffs.

Me personally? I'd rather get a high end prospect and reset the compete window.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

There is a reason for this. If Fletcher sees Monahan as a potential reclamation project, the above deal would be accepted by 98% of the CGY fan base.

Okay so you think its lopsided for the Flames?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I can see Fletcher doing it as he holds onto false hope that this team can ever make noise in the playoffs.

Me personally? I'd rather get a high end prospect and reset the compete window.

Would replacing the two picks with Pelletier be sufficient?