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Proposal: Clarke MacArthur to Toronto

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BK201 said:
It's a fund set up for any team. I don't think you've been following the media with all of the Sens money troubles

Melnyk himself complained of not being able to access these funds publically when it was only available in the USA.

Business is complicated net worth is not liquid assets or cash on hand. If he doesn't have 4 million on hand then you need to liquidate positions you have. When you sell assets in the millions it costs tax. It's cheaper to borrow money from league set up funds and try to find ways to write off the interest.You borrow the money hoping to make money which he does after the first round of the playoffs according to him.
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Why would Melnyk have to borrow 4 million dollars as a result of MacArthur being uninsured? He's not paying any extra money other than the cost of the replacement AHL player, which would be like 900K at best.
 
Sting said:
Chabot's ceiling is a top 2 d-man. He is showing signs of possibly being a #1.

If you think a prospect of Chabot's caliber would be included in a cap dump like this, you're nuts.
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Really ??? Were you around this off season when the Florida Panthers Traded David Boland and LAWSON CROUSE to the Coyotes for two draft picks ???

The Leafs would never be interested in attaining another overpaid player for 4 more years unless the offer was Fantastic.... which means a top prospect, sorry to burst your bubble !:shakehead
 
If his contract is not insured, I think its a very good chance Ottawa tries to move the contract. They seem to be very strapped for money. But 4 years at 18M is a sizeable contract and would definitely cost them a top prospect. Nobody would take the risk for less.
 
If anyone would make a trade like this it is Toronto.
They know they are not competing this or next year, they have the budget being the richest team in the league and they know they could use some top prospects to really strengthen the rebuild.

That being said, it is a hefty contract to take and would cost a lot. A first, or two, a top prospect.

This is not a fun time for Ottawa.
 
Sting said:
Chabot's ceiling is a top 2 d-man. He is showing signs of possibly being a #1.

If you think a prospect of Chabot's caliber would be included in a cap dump like this, you're nuts.
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Even if I agreed with you on his ceiling, LHD is not exactly a position of need for us.

With Rielly and Gardiner on the Leafs, and Dermott, Nielsen and Valiev have all had ballpark similar Junior career numbers to Chabot.

You would think this deal would end up being centered around Logan Brown from a Leafs perspective, if they'd even consider it.
 
How much could Toronto expect to get. Especially if a team like buffalo was willing to a deal similar to Moulson for MacArthur?
 
Joel Ward said:
Well Columbus signed Horton to a 7 year contract and didn't insure it. I have seen nothing to indicate that MacArthur's contract was uninsured though. Very curious where this "information" is coming from.
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Horton's situation was quite different. He was a highly sought after free agent and his issue - an off-season shoulder surgery - meant that he couldn't take the insurance physical at the time of the signing. If the Blue Jackets waited for him to be able to pass his insurance physical, they would have left the door open for him to talk to other teams for the months they were waiting, so they rolled the dice and signed him to an uninsured deal.

That is hardly the situation for Clarke MacArthur.
 
The_Puck_Hog said:
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Really ??? Were you around this off season when the Florida Panthers Traded David Boland and LAWSON CROUSE to the Coyotes for two draft picks ???

The Leafs would never be interested in attaining another overpaid player for 4 more years unless the offer was Fantastic.... which means a top prospect, sorry to burst your bubble !:shakehead
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Why do you think Ottawa would do this? Honestly why? Give up the best prospect on the team to shed 4 million dollars. Use your head.
 
Lupul would HAVE to go back and even then I would ask for an asset to be packaged with C Mac because Lupul contract is much shorter
 
Nothing short of a couple 1st round picks. And even then likely answer is "no"

Leafs just got rid of all long term dead capspa e no use for any more.
 
TheDoldrums said:
I'm sure Florida fans hated the idea of trading Crouse too
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I'm sure they did, but I imagine management had soured on Crouse to the point that they didn't mind giving him up. No sane GM is going to give up a great young player like White, Brown, or Chabot (certainly not Brown who we JUST drafted and were shocked we got him) to get rid of a contract, especially when they are not up against the cap.
 
internetdotcom said:
I'm sure they did, but I imagine management had soured on Crouse to the point that they didn't mind giving him up. No sane GM is going to give up a great young player like White, Brown, or Chabot (certainly not Brown who we JUST drafted and were shocked we got him) to get rid of a contract, especially when they are not up against the cap.
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Ignorant to the interworkings of the Sens, but itsnt the issue their own internal cap, not the salary cap?

I think the premise around moving C.Mac is that his salary is detrimental to the team, as they cant really afford to pay a guy 4.6 million a year to not play for them. This is if its an uninsured contract.

Id harken it to the Clarkson for Horton trade. Horton was going to cost Columbus cash, and not play. Clarkson may have sucked, but at least he could be a 4th line guy when the trade was made.

To assume the cost of taking on C.Mac is massive might be true if nothing is going the other way. But why not just flip him for a comparative cap hit player, who can at least play in the NHL?

The team getting C.Mac can LTIR him for life, and Ottawa can get someone who can at least play low minutes effectively, basically saving them the cost of the replacement player.
 
I'm sure Toronto would love to not only help Ottawa out but also take Clarkes contract when he refused to resign with Toronto and left for their main rivals
 
Leafs87 said:
I'm sure Toronto would love to not only help Ottawa out but also take Clarkes contract when he refused to resign with Toronto and left for their main rivals
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Can you really blame the guy after the way Carlyle treated him and Grabovski? I really doubt the Leafs offered him a competitive contract after scratching him in the playoffs.
 
Leafs87 said:
I'm sure Toronto would love to not only help Ottawa out but also take Clarkes contract when he refused to resign with Toronto and left for their main rivals
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He refused to sign with Nonis to play for Carlyle. I don't see how that reflects poorly on him, the team was horribly managed at that time.
 
Lol

If the contract is uninsured, we are talking actual dollars and cents, not just NHL 17 magic mystery money. NHL teams are businesses and if nearly $20million dollars in actual real money needs to get paid out, whatever comes in the package with MacArthur needs to be worth that $20million dollars on the bottom line. When Phaneuf was traded, Lamoriello talked about financial responsibility and how the trade made sense for the Leafs financially. Even the Horton contract made sense financially, because David Clarkson was going the other way. To get Clarke MacArthur off your books, you will have to be sending equivalent value with him. So unless you want to get Dustin Brown for your troubles, you should be asking yourself if you think Chabot or Brown are going to put your team $20million in the black.

Of course, if the contract IS insured, then the whole issue is moot, which I think is the best case Ontario for everyone involved.
 
I can't see the contract not being insured as he never had any injury issues with the Leafs.

I also do not see the Leafs helping out without a very large overpayment on the part of the Senators
 
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