Rumor: Chychrun Megathread (Asking price has been met per Sportsnet)

[hbk]

MN fan here. Knies has looked REALLY good this year in college. Big, power forward with skill, smarts, and able to work inside. Just knows how to score. Only slight weakness is his skating. It's not bad, just not a strong point.

I just watched a game with Knies and he was constantly the last forward into the zone. Maybe that’s by design but it is something that can limit effectiveness at the pro level.

 

[57special]

I just watched a game with Knies and he was constantly the last forward into the zone. Maybe that’s by design but it is something that can limit effectiveness at the pro level.

I have watched multiple Gopher's games and can say that is not typical of him. I have no dog in the whole Chychrun/Toronto deal- I am a Wild fan. Just saying the Knies looks unusually good- better than Lucius, another highly rated guy from last year's draft. The guy is also big at 6'2"- 6'3".

 

[hbk]

I have watched multiple Gopher's games and can say that is not typical of him. I have no dog in the whole Chychrun/Toronto deal- I am a Wild fan. Just saying the Knies looks unusually good- better than Lucius, another highly rated guy from last year's draft. The guy is also big at 6'2"- 6'3".

If Toronto is in the mix he is definitely the prospect i would target. No disagreement there.

 

[57special]

If Toronto is in the mix he is definitely the prospect i would target. No disagreement there.

Like him more than Robertson or Lilljegren...don't really have a clue about Amirov. Liked him at his draft year, but seems to have been put on ice a bit in the KHL, which happens with younger players. Toronto is probably not the team that has the prospects in a Chychrun deal...maybe if they include Robertson, Amirov, and Knies, but that would screw them cap wise in coming years.

 

[hbk]

Like him more than Robertson or Lilljegren...don't really have a clue about Amirov. Liked him at his draft year, but seems to have been put on ice a bit in the KHL, which happens with younger players. Toronto is probably not the team that has the prospects in a Chychrun deal...maybe if they include Robertson, Amirov, and Knies, but that would screw them cap wise in coming years.

Absolutely. Take the local kid with a question mark that can be worked with to improve.

 

[rt]

I prefer Knies to Robertson and Amirov, too. If Chychrun is going to Toronto, I’m going to be furious if we don’t get Knies AND Sandin AND a 1st. Honestly, I’d want even more than that. That’s still not enough for me.

 

[Jamieh]

I prefer Knies to Robertson and Amirov, too. If Chychrun is going to Toronto, I’m going to be furious if we don’t get Knies AND Sandin AND a 1st. Honestly, I’d want even more than that. That’s still not enough for me.

I don't see how Toronto is in the conversation?? They need forward depth so can't really trade anyone that makes any little money. That only leaves Kerfoot and he's playing really well. Really to make any money ever work in most trades tge Leafs need to lose Ritchie, Holl, and Mrazek. I just don't see any fit with the Leafs. Not to mention LD is of the least concern.

 

[hbk]

I don't see how Toronto is in the conversation?? They need forward depth so can't really trade anyone that makes any little money. That only leaves Kerfoot and he's playing really well. Really to make any money ever work in most trades tge Leafs need to lose Ritchie, Holl, and Mrazek. I just don't see any fit with the Leafs. Not to mention LD is of the least concern.

If Toronto goes out in the first round their entire management team will likely be gassed. To put things in perspective the Coyotes have more playoff series wins in last 15 years than Toronto. If any team is desperate its Toronto. And who do they have in first round if they happened today? Tampa? Good f***ing luck. I’m sure the Toronto media won’t put this under a microscope.

 

[rt]

I don't see how Toronto is in the conversation?? They need forward depth so can't really trade anyone that makes any little money. That only leaves Kerfoot and he's playing really well. Really to make any money ever work in most trades tge Leafs need to lose Ritchie, Holl, and Mrazek. I just don't see any fit with the Leafs. Not to mention LD is of the least concern.

I’m not the one making the rumors. I’m just commenting on them when they come up.

 

[Jamieh]

If Toronto goes out in the first round their entire management team will likely be gassed. To put things in perspective the Coyotes have more playoff series wins in last 15 years than Toronto. If any team is desperate its Toronto. And who do they have in first round if they happened today? Tampa? Good f***ing luck.

I doubt that to be true. And if you think trading future plus present for this year's Chychrun will change that outcome I've got a bridge for sale.

 

[hbk]

I doubt that to be true. And if you think trading future plus present for this year's Chychrun will change that outcome I've got a bridge for sale.

Im sure the Toronto media won’t second guess anything at all. 15+ years of playoff futility I’m sure gets a free pass. There will be no pressure to do anything.

 

[Jamieh]

I’m not the one making the rumors. I’m just commenting on them when they come up.

Yeah I think that's just media making the most noise with an easy noise maker. I'm sure Dubas would like Chychrun I just don't see how it fits?? They have to remove Chychrun's Cap hit from the lineup to do a deal. Only Mrazek comes close and I'm doubtful BA wants that.

 

[Jagged Ice]

If Toronto goes out in the first round their entire management team will likely be gassed. To put things in perspective the Coyotes have more playoff series wins in last 15 years than Toronto. If any team is desperate its Toronto. And who do they have in first round if they happened today? Tampa? Good f***ing luck.

If they could get their post-season heads screwed on right they could probably beat Tampa with the way they are playing this year with the current roster. The playoff pressure will probably lead to another first round exit.

 

[Jamieh]

Im sure the Toronto media won’t second guess anything at all. 15+ years of playoff futility I’m sure gets a free pass. There will be no pressure to do anything.

You are confusing media pressure with rational thought. There will be pressure but the Leafs losing in 7 to the Lightning is significantly different that the Leafs losing to Montreal last year or Columbus 2 years ago. Many factors will go into front office overhaul than just losing 1st round.

 

[hbk]

If they could get their post-season heads screwed on right they could probably beat Tampa with the way they are playing this year with the current roster. The playoff pressure will probably lead to another first round exit.

I don’t think the Leafs can win more than 1 game if they draw Tampa.

 

[hbk]

You are confusing media pressure with rational thought. There will be pressure but the Leafs losing in 7 to the Lightning is significantly different that the Leafs losing to Montreal last year or Columbus 2 years ago. Many factors will go into front office overhaul than just losing 1st round.

People who fear losing their jobs may make irrational decisions.

 

[Jamieh]

People who fear losing their jobs may make irrational decisions.

I'm open to it. Give me an example of a trade that the Cap works for?

 

[hbk]

I'm open to it. Give me an example of a trade that the Cap works for?

The question you are asking is which bad contract would we have to eat in order to make the deal work. Is it Mrazek, Ritchie, Kerfoot (although Kerfoot has value).

the rest is Knies (prospect), 22 1st, Sandin (young roster player) maybe another pick for eating a contract. Would still have to be done at deadline.

 

[Jamieh]

The question you are asking is which bad contract would we have to eat in order to make the deal work. Is it Mrazek, Ritchie, Kerfoot (although Kerfoot has value).

the rest is Knies (prospect), 22 1st, Sandin (young roster player) maybe another pick for eating a contract. Would still have to be done at deadline.

It has to be Ritchie and either of Mrazek or Kerfoot. Personally I don't see the Leafs being better with Chychrun while losing Kerfoot and Sandin. And now tgey have lost future Entry Level Cap players. Like I said I don't see a fit and so far no one has suggested one that works. Kerfoot would be a bigger loss for the Leafs this year.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

What would Muzzin fetch at 50%? Legit question because he'd become the 3LD in this scenario at $5.625 for 2 more seasons. I'd bet a deal including him and a 3rd team would need to be involved as Muzzin does nothing for us, likewise we do nothing for Muzzin who has an NTC.

I bring this up because Toronto assets are already slim, maybe BA gets to negotiate a Muzzin return and those assets are included into our return for Chychrun, we just eat some cap space.

 

[rt]

One of the best Canes posters proposed Chychrun for Seth Jarvis, Brady Skjei, Dominik Bokk and a 2nd. That’s a good offer, IMO. Really a stop and thinker.

My friend who’s a die hard Rangers fan for like the last 30 years proposed K’Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist and a 1st. That one made me think, too.

Some of the better STL posters have agreed to Neighbors, Perunovich, Hofer and a 1st (with a Scandella dump). That one’s okay. I could force myself to live with it.

One of the good COL posters stopped by and offered Newhook, Barron, Beaucage, ‘23 1st, Murray, and Compher for Chychrun and Crouse. I don’t wanna deal Crouse, but that’s VERY tempting.

@XX and a Ducks fan that stopped by managed to agree on Chychrun for Comtois, Perreault, Zellweger and a 1st. That one is definitely do.

I think if you filter out the morons, and just have normal, intelligent conversations with normal, intelligent fans, you can find some really great compromises.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

What would Muzzin fetch at 50%? Legit question because he'd become the 3LD in this scenario at $5.625 for 2 more seasons. I'd bet a deal includes him and a 3rd team would need to be involved as Muzzin does nothing for us, likewise we do nothing for Muzzin who has an NTC.

I bring this up because Toronto assets are already slim, maybe BA gets to negotiate a Muzzin return and those assets are included into our return for Chychrun, we just eat some cap space.

Muzzin (50%) to Florida for Tippett + '23 1st, going directly to Arizona. Chychrun to Toronto for Knies + Sandlin + '22 1st.

In total: 50% of Muzzin's cap + Chychrun for Sandlin + Tippet + Knies + '22 1st +'23 1st?

Maybe include Ritchie just because Muzzin probably still has quite a bit of value and that's a lot for Toronto to give?

I need to rework this, values are off but it makes sense for all 3 teams as a base.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

One of the best Canes posters proposed Chychrun for Seth Jarvis, Brady Skjei, Dominik Bokk and a 2nd. That’s a good offer, IMO. Really a stop and thinker.

My friend who’s a die hard Rangers fan for like the last 30 years proposed K’Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist and a 1st. That one made me think, too.

Some of the better STL posters have agreed to Neighbors, Perunovich, Hofer and a 1st (with a Scandella dump). That one’s okay. I could force myself to live with it.

One of the good COL posters stopped by and offered Newhook, Barron, Beaucage, ‘23 1st, Murray, and Compher for Chychrun and Crouse. I don’t wanna deal Crouse, but that’s VERY tempting.

@XX and a Ducks fan that stopped by managed to agree on Chychrun for Comtois, Perreault, Zellweger and a 1st. That one is definitely do.

I think if you filter out the morons, and just have normal, intelligent conversations with normal, intelligent fans, you can find some really great compromises.

I'm cool with the Anaheim one. It's not McTavish bit Zell is a legit talent and if Comtois bounces back, he'll be a force.

 

[Jamieh]

What would Muzzin fetch at 50%? Legit question because he'd become the 3LD in this scenario at $5.625 for 2 more seasons. I'd bet a deal including him and a 3rd team would need to be involved as Muzzin does nothing for us, likewise we do nothing for Muzzin who has an NTC.

I bring this up because Toronto assets are already slim, maybe BA gets to negotiate a Muzzin return and those assets are included into our return for Chychrun, we just eat some cap space.

I don't see the leafs trading Muzzin. They need more Muzzin not less.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

I don't see the leafs trading Muzzin. They need more Muzzin not less.

There is a cap though, and Muzzin is 32. Not saying they have to trade him but eventually they won't have any assets on ELCs that can make a push and the roster will be made up of 5 top 6 forwards, 3 LD and a RD. Depth will suffer and Campbell needs and extention. Eventually they will hit a wall unless the cap starts going up sooner than later.

2 more seasons before Muzzin, Matthews, Nylander, and Brodie all need new deals. You don't sell Matthews and Brodie is the only top 4 RD option. Moving at 32 yo with 2 more years to a 23 year old with 3 makes sense. Nylander for some ELC youth also makes sense. Mrazek also makes sense but he'd be a pure dump and probably needs a 2nd+ to move, which I'd be happy to help facilitate but then you've given up a lot of futures to clean your cap.