Rumor: Chychrun Megathread (Asking price has been met per Sportsnet)

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Vinny Boombatz

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I want Schneider+Othmann+1st.
Rags fans want Lundkvist+Kravtsov+1st.

It’ll probably be somewhere in-between. So either Schneider+Kravtsov+1st or Lundkvist+Othmann+1st.

Ive got a buddy who’s a die-hard Rangers fan who insists K’Andre Miller has to be part of the deal because putting him behind Lindgren and Chychrun 5v5 kills his minutes, development and value. Especially with Chychrun getting 1PP LD and Lindgren getting 1PK LD mins.

Same buddy thanks Lundkvist is super underrated and can’t do his thing because of Fox. Can’t have two guys like that. He’s buried/stunted.

I haven’t pitched it, but it makes me wonder if K’Andre Miller and Nils Lundkvist and a 1st for Chychrun isn’t a sensible package for both sides. The Rangers get a huge upgrade and they solve some log-jam problems. Zac Jones and Braden Schneider suddenly slide in and get groomed as eventual replacements.

The problem is that the ceiling of Miller & Lundkvist aren't as high as Schneider & Othmann...that's downgrading the package. I'd rather have one of the high ceiling guys...if we're going to move Chychrun, especially since the Rangers 1st rounder is again most likely to be really late.
 
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The problem is that the ceiling of Miller & Lundkvist aren't as high as Schneider & Othmann...that's downgrading the package. I'd rather have one of the high ceiling guys...if we're going to move Chychrun, especially since the Rangers 1st rounder is again most likely to be really late.
I know it’s downgrading the package. Haha. That’s what I was trying to do - compromise. ;)
 

Vinny Boombatz

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Miller is 6'5'' and has only 57 hits in 43 games. He's huge and doesn't hit. Kolyachonok hits a ton, and I think he's going to be better, so right now Miller would help, but in the future Miller just ends up as a bottom pair guy, so why would I want to trade for him?

Kravtsov has the skill to be a top 6 and if we get some really good C's, then he might be a really good top 6 guy for us. Granted, he's the certainly a larger risk that is for sure, but he's got way more potential than Miller.
 

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Knight+Lundell+1st lol are we trading for prime Pronger or something?

You're trading for a young borderline 1D on a great contract. Panthers in particular are up against the cap with Barkov and Carter V getting big raises next year and presumably Huberdeau the year after.

If you guys really are cup contenders, imo you'd need to get better defensive depth to compete with TOR and TB who you'll see in the playoffs. A top pair of Chych / Ekblad would go a long way, or put him on your second pair with Gudas if you want to keep Weegar and Ekblad together. Either way you've solved your problem. You could also probably use this deal to offload some cap, then you've partly solved that problem too.

So yeah, Chych's contract is really what you're trading for imo because he improves your team for multiple cup runs.

Anyway in your opinion, how else would you upgrade your team, or do you think you're ready as is to compete with TOR / TB over a 7 game playoff series? You tell us, you're the Panthers fan we're just random people living in the desert (and far away from Stanley Cup Contention)

P.S. interesting you used Pronger as an example, I seem to recall an even younger / less developed Chris Pronger (much worse stats than Chychrun at trade time) traded straight up for prime Brendan Shanahan back in the day
 

Vinny Boombatz

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Of course, I'm a Schneider fan, as we really need a big RHD

My thinking in value from Rangers standpoint
1 - Schneider
2 - Othmann
3 - Jones
4 - Lundkvist
5 - Robertson
6 - 1st
7 - Miller
 

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I want Schneider+Othmann+1st.
Rags fans want Lundkvist+Kravtsov+1st.

It’ll probably be somewhere in-between. So either Schneider+Kravtsov+1st or Lundkvist+Othmann+1st.

Ive got a buddy who’s a die-hard Rangers fan who insists K’Andre Miller has to be part of the deal because putting him behind Lindgren and Chychrun 5v5 kills his minutes, development and value. Especially with Chychrun getting 1PP LD and Lindgren getting 1PK LD mins.

Same buddy thanks Lundkvist is super underrated and can’t do his thing because of Fox. Can’t have two guys like that. He’s buried/stunted.

I haven’t pitched it, but it makes me wonder if K’Andre Miller and Nils Lundkvist and a 1st for Chychrun isn’t a sensible package for both sides. The Rangers get a huge upgrade and they solve some log-jam problems. Zac Jones and Braden Schneider suddenly slide in and get groomed as eventual replacements.

I want Schneider and Kravstov in a package, somehow. Don't know that I'll get it. Thinking LA is coming with a strong package, don't know why....

To me, it's ok if teams don't make the ask and we end up keeping Chychrun. He'll be 27 or 28 by the time this team is ready to compete, which as a defenseman is still in his prime, he'd almost certainly be a true 1D by then. If the rebuild goes well and we're actually contending by then, we'd need someone like him anyway

my thoughts exactly.
 

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Rank these. The one you like best goes first. The one you like worst goes last:

A. Miller+Lundkvist+1st
B. Lundkvist+Othmann+1st
C. Schneider+Kravtsov+1st
D. Schneider+Jones+1st
E. Schneider+Robertson+1st
B
C
D
E
A

Basically Schneider > Lundkvist > Miller while Othmann > Kravstov. I'll admit I don't know enough about Jones or Robertson. Rangers fans seemed to be hyping Jones up alot this preseason but it doesn't seem to have amounted to much. Has good AHL stats though
 

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If Turcotte can't make the king's pretty pedestrian roster, I just don't know. He feels like a carbon copy of Barrett Hayton, not in terms of play style exactly, but in how he's not quite good enough to be full time but also too good to just be sitting. They're messing up his development having him on taxi squad. Turcotte also feels to me like a low floor, low ceiling kind of prospect. I can't really tell what he's supposed to be.

Also watching the Kings-Rangers last night, I'm not sure I want to deal with the Kings. They have a lot of young players and talent, yes, but nothing really jumped out. They all kinda just felt like a bunch of guys. Bjornfot, Durzi, even Byfield (limited ice time). They'll have good players, but blue chips that I actively want? Meh
 
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Jakey53

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I challenge you to go find me comps. Find me players who’s first 300 games, at his age, have been this productive. He’s a unicorn.
Dahlin, Hughes, Boqvist, Heiskanen, McAvoy and Makar all under 300 games but projecting higher production, some a lot higher. Sergachev, Provorov and Werenski to name a few are bit older players than Chych but still producing at a better rate. Chych is a fine Dman, and a unicorn like you mentioned, but there are others.
 

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Dahlin, Hughes, Boqvist, Heiskanen, McAvoy and Makar all under 300 games but projecting higher production, some a lot higher. Sergachev, Provorov and Werenski to name a few are bit older players than Chych but still producing at a better rate. Chych is a fine Dman, and a unicorn like you mentioned, but there are others.
You just listed off the most valuable defensemen on earth. Thanks!

I agree that Chychrun belongs on that list. That list of elite young defensemen that are some of the most valuable assets in the entire league. Just like Chychrun is. :)
 

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Rank these. The one you like best goes first. The one you like worst goes last:

A. Miller+Lundkvist+1st
B. Lundkvist+Othmann+1st
C. Schneider+Kravtsov+1st
D. Schneider+Jones+1st
E. Schneider+Robertson+1st

C
B
E
D
A

Honestly, I like Berard and Kravstov the most from the Rangers prospect pool in terms of upside, followed by Schneider and Othmann. Cuylle could also be something. The problem is that none of them are elite, high skill, high upside players.

Kravtsov somewhat is, but may never actually come over and succeed in the NHL and I think it's highly unlikely that he actually wants to play for a rebuilding team like the Coyotes, but then again that's a total crapshoot considering we know almost nothing and it's pure speculation. He's also a bit older than the rest as he just turned 22 a month ago.

Otthman is a great all round player who needs to work on his skating. Right now his skating is fine for the OHL and probably AHL but in the NHL he's gonna get burned a lot and will be on the slow side. On the plus side he has great hockey sense, isn't afraid to get dirty, and has a killer shot. But he does worry me because as a whole the NHL is getting it's average speed up and we've already seen what happens to a bad skater when they transition and how important it is.

Berard is tiny but has a drive that won't quit, great hands, and his skating is great. Since we're going to draft Bedard anyways, we might as well get his favorite player to play with. The only knock I have on him is size, if he fits well with his linemates he could play up and down the lineup or he could end up not doing much. More boom/bust than anyone else. He's also somewhat of an agitator and reminds me of Garland a lot.

Cuylle is a big body, decent skater (still needs to work on it), goes to the net and is a front presence, not afraid to drop the gloves, big hitter, aggressive player. Also a good complimentary player. Has some offensive upside but likely only as a complimentary player and less than the others.

The d-man are all pretty much solid stay at home types for the most part, there's some...difference in opinions on who is highest in the rankings but all probably project as bottom 4 at best. Jones has the highest upside IMO, followed by Schneider.

Wheeler did have Lundkvist ranked around the same as Jones and above Schneider however.

If I was BA, I'd want to grab a younger player still in a development league and probably focus on forwards. If I thought Kravtsov was going to come over and be lights for us, that's the only time I'd want him, and to a lesser degree, the only time I'd want to trade with the Rangers at all, given there are likely higher top end pieces out there for us and we're not looking at a lottery pick here.
 

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How kind of Kings and Rangers fans to educate us that their 1-8 prospects are completely untouchable in a trade for a 23 year old 1D.

I guess we should kindly accept Grundstrom, Moore and a 4th or Hajek, Tinordi, Nemeth and a 5th. Maybe they'll give us an extra 2024 7th if we ask nicely
 

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To me, it's ok if teams don't make the ask and we end up keeping Chychrun. He'll be 27 or 28 by the time this team is ready to compete, which as a defenseman is still in his prime, he'd almost certainly be a true 1D by then. If the rebuild goes well and we're actually contending by then, we'd need someone like him anyway
I agree.
 

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You're trading for a young borderline 1D on a great contract. Panthers in particular are up against the cap with Barkov and Carter V getting big raises next year and presumably Huberdeau the year after.

If you guys really are cup contenders, imo you'd need to get better defensive depth to compete with TOR and TB who you'll see in the playoffs. A top pair of Chych / Ekblad would go a long way, or put him on your second pair with Gudas if you want to keep Weegar and Ekblad together. Either way you've solved your problem. You could also probably use this deal to offload some cap, then you've partly solved that problem too.

So yeah, Chych's contract is really what you're trading for imo because he improves your team for multiple cup runs.

Anyway in your opinion, how else would you upgrade your team, or do you think you're ready as is to compete with TOR / TB over a 7 game playoff series? You tell us, you're the Panthers fan we're just random people living in the desert (and far away from Stanley Cup Contention)

P.S. interesting you used Pronger as an example, I seem to recall an even younger / less developed Chris Pronger (much worse stats than Chychrun at trade time) traded straight up for prime Brendan Shanahan back in the day
Yes, Chych's contract is what's bringing up the value. SC contenders don't have to shuffle as much money around. Florida is so close they can smell it. They need Chych, but will they ante up?
 
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Rank these. The one you like best goes first. The one you like worst goes last:

A. Miller+Lundkvist+1st
B. Lundkvist+Othmann+1st
C. Schneider+Kravtsov+1st
D. Schneider+Jones+1st
E. Schneider+Robertson+1st
I've bolded the key takeaway, the rest is just my why.

I think we need to tell Florida that we want Lundell and we need to make a hockey trade to make it happen.

Hayton is showing himself as a fully capable 3c and is only 21, Lundell is showing himself as a fully capable 3c at 20 and is showing he's maybe ready to be a 2c. If we draft Wright/Coolie, we have our depth down the middle. We can focus on wingers and defense from that point forward.

Moser, Soderstrom, Kolyachonok, Gostisbehere, Mayo, Timmins, and Ludvig is a fine blue line lacking two 25 minute a night players. Use most of our picks on blue liners.

Keller - Coolie - Guenther
Maccelli - Lundell - (Doan)
Crouse - Hayton - Schmaltz
McCartney - Larsson - Boyd
Fisher, O'Brian

Gostisbehere - Mayo
Moser - Soderstrom
(Kolyachonok) - Timmins
(Ludvig)

(Prosvetov)
Vejmelka

Add a top 6 RW (Maybe Doan), one SAH RD (Maybe Crotty or Emberson), a 1st pair puck moving RD (Draft), and a #1 Goalie (Maybe Prosvetov) and we're set. Adding a 2 way, scoring winger in place of Schmaltz would be nice too but not necessary.

That's a lineup that could take us to the promise land. We have 3 centers that could all put up 50+ points in their primes and play great defense. We'd have multiple wingers that could dictate play and score 20+ goals per season. We'd have a strong defense first team that can quickly transition the puck and shove it down the oppositions throat.

I like that lineup and it only leaves some holes on the blue line, which seems deep but is lacking high end talent.

Basically, I think we need to make Lundell our trade target and I think we need to adjust our ask to make sure it happens.
 
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I've bolded the key takeaway, the rest is just my why.

I think we need to tell Florida that we want Lundell and we need to make a hockey trade to make it happen.

Hayton is showing himself as a fully capable 3c and is only 21, Lundell is showing himself as a fully capable 3c at 20 and is showing he's maybe ready to be a 2c. If we draft Wright/Coolie, we have our depth down the middle. We can focus on wingers and defense from that point forward.

Moser, Soderstrom, Kolyachonok, Gostisbehere, Mayo, Timmins, and Ludvig is a fine blue line lacking two 25 minute a night players. Use most of our picks on blue liners.

Keller - Coolie - Guenther
Maccelli - Lundell - (Doan)
Crouse - Hayton - Schmaltz
McCartney - Larsson - Boyd
Fisher, O'Brian

Gostisbehere - Mayo
Moser - Soderstrom
(Kolyachonok) - Timmins
(Ludvig)

(Prosvetov)
Vejmelka

Add a top 6 RW (Maybe Doan), one SAH RD (Maybe Crotty or Emberson), a 1st pair puck moving RD (Draft), and a #1 Goalie (Maybe Prosvetov) and we're set. Adding a 2 way, scoring winger in place of Schmaltz would be nice too but not necessary.

That's a lineup that could take us to the promise land. We have 3 centers that could all put up 50+ points in their primes and play great defense. We'd have multiple wingers that could dictate play and score 20+ goals per season. We'd have a strong defense first team that can quickly transition the puck and shove it down the oppositions throat.

I like that lineup and it only leaves some holes on the blue line, which seems deep but is lacking high end talent.

Basically, I think we need to make Lundell our trade target and I think we need to adjust our ask to make sure it happens.
Chychrun for Lundell 1:1 ?

Or to balance needs and cap, let’s say we add Larsson and they get to dump Vatrano on us. This costs them Ludvig. And we eat 50% on Chychrun, which costs them a 1st. Zito basicslly gets Chychrun for Lundell. BA gets to hold his head up and say he got his 1st and prospect too.


Chychrun (50%v) and Larsson for Vatrano, Lundell, Ludvig and ‘23 1st.
 
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Honestly I'd do Chychrun+Lundell 1:1. Reminds me of the Jones for Johansen deal, although Johansen was more developed by that point
 
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