Post-Game Talk: Christmas Dinner Hangover: Jets lose 4-1

[WPGChief]

• A mostly positive showing on the scoresheet that was for naught because of some post-Christmas gaffes, running into a stifling defense, and maybe a bit of the referees still in a Christmas dinner hibernation.
• Hellebuyck can't save half of a goal, but hard to fault him on the first two of three (I think he could have had the third but positioned himself incorrectly based on how Byfuglien played the middle of the ice). Laine scored on his own net against the grain as Hellebuyck was correctly moving laterally to the open man on his left, and all six Jets got caught puck-looking as Gaudreau and Lindholm made them look like fools:
  
  
• What would you say if I told you that this iteration of the bottom-6 should be expected to outplay the top-6? Perreault-Lowry-Tanev and Copp-Roslovic-Appleton were an absolute force tonight, although most of the shots were coming from distance and Flames did well to negate any second chances. That being said, Connor-Little-Laine is a line combo that has been in disarray for quite awhile after their torrid start (something I've been saying for a while) and I think it's because Little needs help on the forecheck. Would anyone be against a line combo of the following?:
  • Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
  • Perreault-Little-Laine
  • Connor-Lowry-Copp
  • Tanev/Petan-Roslovic-Appleton
    • Here's the problem - to fix your conundrum on the second line, you need to break up your third and thus you can't utilize Tanev at his best - with Lowry, defensively. But, right now you're not maximizing Laine at his best - scoring lots of goals. Quite the problem to have, and I know this will cause a discussion in and of itself. I'm not too sure here either because I do appreciate Tanev's defensive play as of late, but you can't depend on his gritty style of goals (second chances, rebounds, bang/crash crease, etc.) night to night. The team needs Laine to score; Connor to score; Little to score; Wheeler to score.
• Honestly, there's not much else to say in this game, as all three defensive pairings had strong play, and really it was Morrissey-Trouba that gaffed on the second goal against and Chiarot-Byfuglien got caught penalizing yet again (and yes, Kulikov-Myers is a night and day difference than the start of the season). Jets got caught playing Calgary's style of game and suffered immensely for it, getting beat on quick counters, having trouble moving through the neutral zone, and not getting any second chances as Rittich saw most of the shots he faced. Jets need to look more alive to beat a trap-game like this.

Chief's final eyetest says: wish there was a way to actually see this in numbers, but it's visually apparent that the Jets are giving up way more odd-man rushes than the previous season. Need to fix that, especially against teams like Calgary which feast on those chances.

 

[Adam da bomb]

he also massively overplayed the puck carrier on goal #2. Hate to see a goalie diving head first in desparation, rather have him square and ready to play the shot or the pass. He's done that a few times in the past week or so.

how'd gaudreau get that wide open on that goal?

 

[Jets4Life]

My thoughts:

-Rittich stood on his head, and beat the Jets
-Laine needs to work on his defensive play
-Tanev impressed me yet again, and has the heart of a lion
-The second goal by Gaudreau was a thing of beauty
-Jets outplayed the Flames
-Lowry is clearly underrated
-the Connor/Little/Laine was invisible for most of the game, even though Little played well
-Wheeler and Scheifele played well, but could not connect in clutch time
-Morrissey is our top D-man
-Hellebuyck played great, but two of the goals he let in went off Jets players


Bottom line: If the 2nd line could have come through, and Rittich was not standing on his head, the better team (Jets) would have won. Time to move on, and get ready for the Minnesota Wild.

 

[Finnflash]

Was watching post game interview with Coach Peters. Does anyone understand why a reporter would say the jets have the best power play in nhl history.

 

[Gm0ney]

Rittich has found the same heady brew of snorted Adderall and horseshoe enemas that Fleury was using in the playoffs. The difference is that Fleury actually has a track record of being a decent NHL goalie over his career whereas Rittich is some nobody on a hot streak. 2018 Hutch?

 

[Howard Chuck]

When we are down a goal or two late in the third, wouldn’t it make sense to put Laine with Ehlers and Scheifele? Wheeler is usually toast by then and Laine is rested, and no one else seems to be capable of burying a shot.

What would there be to lose in that situation? It like Maurice is afraid of it working.

 

[Gm0ney]

Faceoff that lead to the shorthanded goal...

Ref had full view of it. Should this not have resulted in a Jets 5-3 powerplay?

I'm not sure I've seen this called since the flurry of penalties during the adjustment to the new rule 5 years ago. Is it even still in the rulebook?

Edit: I see that it is...oh well.

 

[Babooch]

how'd gaudreau get that wide open on that goal?

Morrissey or Schief depending on how you look at it. But a missed assignment does not make a head first dive look any better.

 

[bustamente]

Seeing eye goal by the Knights puts then in front of the Avs and if they hold on will take off a bit of the sting off the Jets loss

 

[Adam da bomb]

Morrissey or Schief depending on how you look at it. But a missed assignment does not make a head first dive look any better.

Nope Helly was not great but team defence was even worse.

 

[Derfel]

Nope Helly was not great but team defence was even worse.

Hellebuyck made some great saves and then whiffed on the shorthanded shot. Go figure.

 

[kylbaz]

he also massively overplayed the puck carrier on goal #2. Hate to see a goalie diving head first in desparation, rather have him square and ready to play the shot or the pass. He's done that a few times in the past week or so.

He sure did but not going to hold that against him. If he was in Calgarys net we would have had atleast two or three like that.

 

[BigZ65]

• A mostly positive showing on the scoresheet that was for naught because of some post-Christmas gaffes, running into a stifling defense, and maybe a bit of the referees still in a Christmas dinner hibernation.
• Hellebuyck can't save half of a goal, but hard to fault him on the first two of three (I think he could have had the third but positioned himself incorrectly based on how Byfuglien played the middle of the ice). Laine scored on his own net against the grain as Hellebuyck was correctly moving laterally to the open man on his left, and all six Jets got caught puck-looking as Gaudreau and Lindholm made them look like fools:
  
  
• What would you say if I told you that this iteration of the bottom-6 should be expected to outplay the top-6? Perreault-Lowry-Tanev and Copp-Roslovic-Appleton were an absolute force tonight, although most of the shots were coming from distance and Flames did well to negate any second chances. That being said, Connor-Little-Laine is a line combo that has been in disarray for quite awhile after their torrid start (something I've been saying for a while) and I think it's because Little needs help on the forecheck. Would anyone be against a line combo of the following?:
  • Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
  • Perreault-Little-Laine
  • Connor-Lowry-Copp
  • Tanev/Petan-Roslovic-Appleton
    • Here's the problem - to fix your conundrum on the second line, you need to break up your third and thus you can't utilize Tanev at his best - with Lowry, defensively. But, right now you're not maximizing Laine at his best - scoring lots of goals. Quite the problem to have, and I know this will cause a discussion in and of itself. I'm not too sure here either because I do appreciate Tanev's defensive play as of late, but you can't depend on his gritty style of goals (second chances, rebounds, bang/crash crease, etc.) night to night. The team needs Laine to score; Connor to score; Little to score; Wheeler to score.
• Honestly, there's not much else to say in this game, as all three defensive pairings had strong play, and really it was Morrissey-Trouba that gaffed on the second goal against and Chiarot-Byfuglien got caught penalizing yet again (and yes, Kulikov-Myers is a night and day difference than the start of the season). Jets got caught playing Calgary's style of game and suffered immensely for it, getting beat on quick counters, having trouble moving through the neutral zone, and not getting any second chances as Rittich saw most of the shots he faced. Jets need to look more alive to beat a trap-game like this.

Chief's final eyetest says: wish there was a way to actually see this in numbers, but it's visually apparent that the Jets are giving up way more odd-man rushes than the previous season. Need to fix that, especially against teams like Calgary which feast on those chances.

I think it’s time for Connor and Laine to play bottom 6 minutes at ES. Light the fire and play our guys who are productive. I also think we have options because we have 5 guys who play decent down the middle, I guess what I’m saying is I’d be looking at lots of combos and Little doesn’t necessarily have to be at centre in all of them. I think something like Connor/Laine-Lowry-Little could be a decent line. A couple of our better forecheckers combined with a finisher.

 

[sipowicz]

Nice try.
Jokinen was still in the AHL at Laine's age.
Jokinen is the fourth highest scoring Finnish NHL player in history but never scored over 70 points till his 7th NHL season. Laine scored 70 last year, at age 19.
Laine is struggling, but he is still a kid. Grumpy old guys shouldn't pick on kids.

One trick ponies should work on all facets of their game and start to play like they care!

 

[Gm0ney]

• A mostly positive showing on the scoresheet that was for naught because of some post-Christmas gaffes, running into a stifling defense, and maybe a bit of the referees still in a Christmas dinner hibernation.
• Hellebuyck can't save half of a goal, but hard to fault him on the first two of three (I think he could have had the third but positioned himself incorrectly based on how Byfuglien played the middle of the ice). Laine scored on his own net against the grain as Hellebuyck was correctly moving laterally to the open man on his left, and all six Jets got caught puck-looking as Gaudreau and Lindholm made them look like fools:
  
  
• What would you say if I told you that this iteration of the bottom-6 should be expected to outplay the top-6? Perreault-Lowry-Tanev and Copp-Roslovic-Appleton were an absolute force tonight, although most of the shots were coming from distance and Flames did well to negate any second chances. That being said, Connor-Little-Laine is a line combo that has been in disarray for quite awhile after their torrid start (something I've been saying for a while) and I think it's because Little needs help on the forecheck. Would anyone be against a line combo of the following?:
  • Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
  • Perreault-Little-Laine
  • Connor-Lowry-Copp
  • Tanev/Petan-Roslovic-Appleton
    • Here's the problem - to fix your conundrum on the second line, you need to break up your third and thus you can't utilize Tanev at his best - with Lowry, defensively. But, right now you're not maximizing Laine at his best - scoring lots of goals. Quite the problem to have, and I know this will cause a discussion in and of itself. I'm not too sure here either because I do appreciate Tanev's defensive play as of late, but you can't depend on his gritty style of goals (second chances, rebounds, bang/crash crease, etc.) night to night. The team needs Laine to score; Connor to score; Little to score; Wheeler to score.
• Honestly, there's not much else to say in this game, as all three defensive pairings had strong play, and really it was Morrissey-Trouba that gaffed on the second goal against and Chiarot-Byfuglien got caught penalizing yet again (and yes, Kulikov-Myers is a night and day difference than the start of the season). Jets got caught playing Calgary's style of game and suffered immensely for it, getting beat on quick counters, having trouble moving through the neutral zone, and not getting any second chances as Rittich saw most of the shots he faced. Jets need to look more alive to beat a trap-game like this.

Chief's final eyetest says: wish there was a way to actually see this in numbers, but it's visually apparent that the Jets are giving up way more odd-man rushes than the previous season. Need to fix that, especially against teams like Calgary which feast on those chances.

Those lines look good. It's ridiculous Maurice doesn't try more than one thing to get that 2nd line going. "Uhhhh...let's try Ehlers there? No? Okay, how about Connor? No? Welp...¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

Calgary was keeping a man high in the neutral zone quite a bit - I don't know if it was visible on TV but Gaudreau (or whatever corresponding winger) would fly the zone as soon as the Flames got possession in their own end. They were always looking for offense. Works well when your D is pretty competent across the board and your goalie is running hot.

 

[voyageur]

• A mostly positive showing on the scoresheet that was for naught because of some post-Christmas gaffes, running into a stifling defense, and maybe a bit of the referees still in a Christmas dinner hibernation.
• Hellebuyck can't save half of a goal, but hard to fault him on the first two of three (I think he could have had the third but positioned himself incorrectly based on how Byfuglien played the middle of the ice). Laine scored on his own net against the grain as Hellebuyck was correctly moving laterally to the open man on his left, and all six Jets got caught puck-looking as Gaudreau and Lindholm made them look like fools:
  
  
• What would you say if I told you that this iteration of the bottom-6 should be expected to outplay the top-6? Perreault-Lowry-Tanev and Copp-Roslovic-Appleton were an absolute force tonight, although most of the shots were coming from distance and Flames did well to negate any second chances. That being said, Connor-Little-Laine is a line combo that has been in disarray for quite awhile after their torrid start (something I've been saying for a while) and I think it's because Little needs help on the forecheck. Would anyone be against a line combo of the following?:
  • Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
  • Perreault-Little-Laine
  • Connor-Lowry-Copp
  • Tanev/Petan-Roslovic-Appleton
    • Here's the problem - to fix your conundrum on the second line, you need to break up your third and thus you can't utilize Tanev at his best - with Lowry, defensively. But, right now you're not maximizing Laine at his best - scoring lots of goals. Quite the problem to have, and I know this will cause a discussion in and of itself. I'm not too sure here either because I do appreciate Tanev's defensive play as of late, but you can't depend on his gritty style of goals (second chances, rebounds, bang/crash crease, etc.) night to night. The team needs Laine to score; Connor to score; Little to score; Wheeler to score.
• Honestly, there's not much else to say in this game, as all three defensive pairings had strong play, and really it was Morrissey-Trouba that gaffed on the second goal against and Chiarot-Byfuglien got caught penalizing yet again (and yes, Kulikov-Myers is a night and day difference than the start of the season). Jets got caught playing Calgary's style of game and suffered immensely for it, getting beat on quick counters, having trouble moving through the neutral zone, and not getting any second chances as Rittich saw most of the shots he faced. Jets need to look more alive to beat a trap-game like this.

Chief's final eyetest says: wish there was a way to actually see this in numbers, but it's visually apparent that the Jets are giving up way more odd-man rushes than the previous season. Need to fix that, especially against teams like Calgary which feast on those chances.

I don't want to be too critical but doesn't it seem like Morrissey-Trouba have not been good enough of late, as a shutdown pair? Trouba a big -2, where it counts. Out to lunch on both key goals.

Think the easy solution for the 2nd line is bring Perreault up with Little-Laine. Reunite T-L-C checking line.
Connor-Roslovic-Appleton as the kid line, bring the speed

I would not be surprised or disappointed if Hellebuyck went on IR. He's taken quite a few shots to the head. Let Brossoit get on a run, to create separation.

 

[BigZ65]

Morrissey or Schief depending on how you look at it. But a missed assignment does not make a head first dive look any better.

Trouba puck watching, got burned by the turnover, caught on wrong side.

 

[TheJadePipe]

• A mostly positive showing on the scoresheet that was for naught because of some post-Christmas gaffes, running into a stifling defense, and maybe a bit of the referees still in a Christmas dinner hibernation.
• Hellebuyck can't save half of a goal, but hard to fault him on the first two of three (I think he could have had the third but positioned himself incorrectly based on how Byfuglien played the middle of the ice). Laine scored on his own net against the grain as Hellebuyck was correctly moving laterally to the open man on his left, and all six Jets got caught puck-looking as Gaudreau and Lindholm made them look like fools:
  
  
• What would you say if I told you that this iteration of the bottom-6 should be expected to outplay the top-6? Perreault-Lowry-Tanev and Copp-Roslovic-Appleton were an absolute force tonight, although most of the shots were coming from distance and Flames did well to negate any second chances. That being said, Connor-Little-Laine is a line combo that has been in disarray for quite awhile after their torrid start (something I've been saying for a while) and I think it's because Little needs help on the forecheck. Would anyone be against a line combo of the following?:
  • Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
  • Perreault-Little-Laine
  • Connor-Lowry-Copp
  • Tanev/Petan-Roslovic-Appleton
    • Here's the problem - to fix your conundrum on the second line, you need to break up your third and thus you can't utilize Tanev at his best - with Lowry, defensively. But, right now you're not maximizing Laine at his best - scoring lots of goals. Quite the problem to have, and I know this will cause a discussion in and of itself. I'm not too sure here either because I do appreciate Tanev's defensive play as of late, but you can't depend on his gritty style of goals (second chances, rebounds, bang/crash crease, etc.) night to night. The team needs Laine to score; Connor to score; Little to score; Wheeler to score.
• Honestly, there's not much else to say in this game, as all three defensive pairings had strong play, and really it was Morrissey-Trouba that gaffed on the second goal against and Chiarot-Byfuglien got caught penalizing yet again (and yes, Kulikov-Myers is a night and day difference than the start of the season). Jets got caught playing Calgary's style of game and suffered immensely for it, getting beat on quick counters, having trouble moving through the neutral zone, and not getting any second chances as Rittich saw most of the shots he faced. Jets need to look more alive to beat a trap-game like this.

Chief's final eyetest says: wish there was a way to actually see this in numbers, but it's visually apparent that the Jets are giving up way more odd-man rushes than the previous season. Need to fix that, especially against teams like Calgary which feast on those chances.

I would rather see:
Connor-Chef-Ehlers
Laine-Little-Wheeler
MattyP-Lowry-Tanev
Copp-Roslo-Apples

 

[bustamente]

Status Quo for the top 3 teams standings wise in the Central tonight

 

[Flair Hay]

Not a bad effort. Just didnt have our A game. Didnt have our finish.

Calgary is a really good team away from the puck. No wonder they're winning so much.

I'm sure Johnny will be alright. He took a whack to get the hat.

 

[garret9]

 

[Howard Chuck]

Exactly how it looked to me.

 

[Psych0dad]

Would anyone be against a line combo of the following?:

• • Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
  • Perreault-Little-Laine

Yeah, I am. Anything with Little-Laine is a completely futile effort and an exercise in repeated stupidity. Should never be used.

I know Perreault would bring it up a notch but why fight against the current? We could have a monster 1st line and very balanced 2 and 3. Instead of the mess we run now

 

[ffh]

Yeah, I am. Anything with Little-Laine is a completely futile effort and an exercise in repeated stupidity. Should never be used.

I know Perreault would bring it up a notch but why fight against the current?

The only other choice is Laine on the 1st line the 3rd or the 4th line . My vote is the 4th line. 7 minutes and pp is what he deserves.

 

[JetsFan815]

That being said, Connor-Little-Laine is a line combo that has been in disarray for quite awhile after their torrid start (something I've been saying for a while) and I think it's because Little needs help on the forecheck. Would anyone be against a line combo of the following?:

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Laine
Connor-Lowry-Copp
Tanev/Petan-Roslovic-Appleton

Here's the problem - to fix your conundrum on the second line, you need to break up your third and thus you can't utilize Tanev at his best - with Lowry, defensively. But, right now you're not maximizing Laine at his best - scoring lots of goals. Quite the problem to have, and I know this will cause a discussion in and of itself. I'm not too sure here either because I do appreciate Tanev's defensive play as of late, but you can't depend on his gritty style of goals (second chances, rebounds, bang/crash crease, etc.) night to night. The team needs Laine to score; Connor to score; Little to score; Wheeler to score.

I have been hoping for Connor-Perreault flip for several weeks now. Even Connor-Lowry-Tanev line will be an improvement overall through the sheer effect of Perreault rescuing that 2nd line esp on the road where they are getting absolutely eaten alive defensively:

	CF%	Rel CF%	xGF%	Rel xGF%	xGA/60
CLL @ Home	48.64	-5.15	48.62	-4.64	2.47
CLL @ Road	39.83	-10.34	32.25	-16.69	4.39

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

(Incidentally for Maurice haters this should be an example of his "good coaching" where his matchups are driving that line to a somewhat respectable level @ Home compared to their complete ownage on the road where he is unable to control the matchups).

The sample sizes become smaller when you split into Road v Away but still these numbers on the road are shockingly bad. Any change to that line will be an upgrade to it. Right now they are literally the worst line in the league in terms of Expected Goals Against/60 (for lines over 100 mins) and it's not close, the next worst line is 3.4 xGA/60, nearly a full 1 xGA/60 lower.

The only reason to keep them together is if Maurice is hoping that it will help Connor and Laine "learn on the job" and lift their games upto a level where that line can play together successfully in the playoffs.