Player Discussion Chris Tierney (C)

[Sweatred]

I think they could sign Tierny for another yr & look to move him at either the draft or the trade deadline which is more likely. He's been a good middle line player but I think both L. Brown & Norris have more potential. Whether they reach that potential is anyone's guess. I also think that White whether you believe it or not signing that contract is probably here for another few yrs. They also have Chlapik & maybe they draft a centre in this 2020 draft, who knows?

Tierny might be better than all of them today but it doesn't mean he will be better even as soon as next season, it remains to be seen. IMO he is another transition piece waiting to be replaced by a potentially better prospect. I think it's inevitable.

Yes - I agree with all of that. I’d love to see Tierney given a year to show he can be a “Pageau lite” type player to boost his value . I don’t really see us having many other options without acquiring a stronger Center through trade. I don’t see any other effective defensive awareness in our lineup.

Ideally Norris can preform at or above expectations and hold a 1-2C roll and Brown finds some time in the lineup.

 

[aragorn]

Yes - I agree with all of that. I’d love to see Tierney given a year to show he can be a “Pageau lite” type player to boost his value . I don’t really see us having many other options without acquiring a stronger Center through trade. I don’t see any other effective defensive awareness in our lineup.

Ideally Norris can preform at or above expectations and hold a 1-2C roll and Brown finds some time in the lineup.

You know if the Sens put together a 2nd line of Duclair - Tierny - C. Brown & all three have at least the same success as last season they could increase their value in the open market. I don't really see any of these three as in their future plans but they are all good stop gap players.

More importantly they could be valuable trade deadline players for Ottawa to acquire a good prospect in return or a good late 1st or early to mid-second rd pick. Ottawa could use another 1st rd pick or two for the 2021 draft. All three are very good serviceable players especially C. Brown who doesn't get much ink here.

 

[Sweatred]

You know if the Sens put together a 2nd line of Duclair - Tierny - C. Brown & all three have at least the same success as last season they could increase their value in the open market. I don't really see any of these three as in their future plans but they are all good stop gap players.

More importantly they could be valuable trade deadline players for Ottawa to acquire a good prospect in return or a good late 1st or early to mid-second rd pick. Ottawa could use another 1st rd pick or two for the 2021 draft. All three are very good serviceable players especially C. Brown who doesn't get much ink here.

Yes... I think they are going to lean on Duc and maybe CBrown to carry some of the rookies. A rookie Center will need a winger who can finish (Duc) or CBrown may support Norris/Brown on forecheck/backcheck type stuff.

We are short on veteran wingers.

 

[aragorn]

Yes... I think they are going to lean on Duc and maybe CBrown to carry some of the rookies. A rookie Center will need a winger who can finish (Duc) or CBrown may support Norris/Brown on forecheck/backcheck type stuff.

We are short on veteran wingers.

Agreed, I think those two last longer than Tierny here tbh, we have the centres, but need for a while anyway experienced wingers to help these centres out. Of course, hopefully these centres do work out, that remains to be seen also, but they have a few hopefuls.

 

[operasen]

Agreed, I think those two last longer than Tierny here tbh, we have the centres, but need for a while anyway experienced wingers to help these centres out. Of course, hopefully these centres do work out, that remains to be seen also, but they have a few hopefuls.

Agreed. That's why I say look a little longer term. Trade Tierney while he has value. Limited perhaps, so add an Abramov type prospect and a 2nd to a package to return a 1st. Draft a Quinn type.
This is a shortened season in 2021 because of the late attempt this year to get to the Cup. If AHL not playing, which sounds like the case, the guys like Brown need ice. Send him to Europe and he's away from our "control", which I this is not a good idea. There are several placeholders (Anisimov is another, Hainsey, etc) who will block the development of important prospects is a shortened season. Normal circumstances I see it - this next year is different. We need to be proactive and adapt.
We have Centres to fill our roster - 3/5 OA (at least one), Norris, Brown, White, Chlapik, Hawurlyk, Paul, Pinto, Kastelic, even Peca come to mind. Not all are ready for sure, but the top end of the list is ready to play 60 games or so to see what we have, develop a work-ethic together and get a sense of team identity in a shortened season. One where we possibly still get a top lottery standing. Stuetzle and Raymond types will likely stay in Europe this year. Brown and Norris do not have that option unless they create it. Byfield can go back to the OHL - but what will that even look like in 2020-2021.

 

[Sweatred]

Agreed. That's why I say look a little longer term. Trade Tierney while he has value. Limited perhaps, so add an Abramov type prospect and a 2nd to a package to return a 1st. Draft a Quinn type.
This is a shortened season in 2021 because of the late attempt this year to get to the Cup. If AHL not playing, which sounds like the case, the guys like Brown need ice. Send him to Europe and he's away from our "control", which I this is not a good idea. There are several placeholders (Anisimov is another, Hainsey, etc) who will block the development of important prospects is a shortened season. Normal circumstances I see it - this next year is different. We need to be proactive and adapt.
We have Centres to fill our roster - 3/5 OA (at least one), Norris, Brown, White, Chlapik, Hawurlyk, Paul, Pinto, Kastelic, even Peca come to mind. Not all are ready for sure, but the top end of the list is ready to play 60 games or so to see what we have, develop a work-ethic together and get a sense of team identity in a shortened season. One where we possibly still get a top lottery standing. Stuetzle and Raymond types will likely stay in Europe this year. Brown and Norris do not have that option unless they create it. Byfield can go back to the OHL - but what will that even look like in 2020-2021.

I think Tierney is a lot more valuable than an Abramov type prospect to the Sens. He is the only thing between a disaster if Norris, White, and/or Brown stall. 20 games in if any of the kids can carry some play he may be expendable.

 

[operasen]

I think Tierney is a lot more valuable than an Abramov type prospect to the Sens. He is the only thing between a disaster if Norris, White, and/or Brown stall. 20 games in if any of the kids can carry some play he may be expendable.

I could live with that, especially if taxi squads are expanded so a Brown still gets ice. Would want to create a package for a 2021 1st then. I do not see Tierney becoming a Pageau type of player. I do see him vs White as to a spot, but I want White to be given every chance to turn last season around.

 

[Xspyrit]

Tierney's not going anywhere. This team really needs to create a culture of having to make the team, no gifted spots. Tierney is a decent NHLer. And his presence should make the other guys push harder. Ifhis presence doesn't make the other guys push harder, they are the wrong guys.

But Tierney contract ends after next season, he will still be RFA (only 1 RFA year left) but will also turn 27 y/o next summer. Not that it is old but what contract do you offer him and what would he accept? Would you pay him 4.5+ per season?

Or would you rather have his spot filled by any of 3rd OA, Josh Norris, Logan Brown, Filip Chlapik, Colin White and even Shane Pinto?

Nothing against him, he's not bad he's not good, he's the perfect definition of NHL average but you still have to make a decision on him, he won't be looking for a short term deal. If you decide to keep him, it means you trade one of Brown/White (or Norris)

 

[JD1]

But Tierney contract ends after next season, he will still be RFA (only 1 RFA year left) but will also turn 27 y/o next summer. Not that it is old but what contract do you offer him and what would he accept? Would you pay him 4.5+ per season?

Or would you rather have his spot filled by any of 3rd OA, Josh Norris, Logan Brown, Filip Chlapik, Colin White and even Shane Pinto?

Nothing against him, he's not bad he's not good, he's the perfect definition of NHL average but you still have to make a decision on him, he won't be looking for a short term deal. If you decide to keep him, it means you trade one of Brown/White (or Norris)

The team has 50 games to figure out what to do with Tierney. And it really has nothing to do with Tierney at all. I think it is pretty well known what Tierney is. The issue is not what Tierney is, it's what all the other guys are

Does White rebound from this year?
Is Brown a player?
Is Norris going to be able to play a top 6 C role?
How does the 3oa look?
Has Chlapik matured into a bottom c fixture?
How much C versus W can Paul handle?

These are the questions that will determine Tierney's fate. Tierney is a mid 40 point NHL centre that is pretty good at a lot of things that Cs need to do in the NHL, but he is a star at nothing. He is a fixed known commodity.

Even having 2 Cs fixed in the depth chart above him and contributing in those positions and keeping Tierney as a 3C fixture is not a disaster

 

[operasen]

But Tierney contract ends after next season, he will still be RFA (only 1 RFA year left) but will also turn 27 y/o next summer. Not that it is old but what contract do you offer him and what would he accept? Would you pay him 4.5+ per season?

Or would you rather have his spot filled by any of 3rd OA, Josh Norris, Logan Brown, Filip Chlapik, Colin White and even Shane Pinto?

Nothing against him, he's not bad he's not good, he's the perfect definition of NHL average but you still have to make a decision on him, he won't be looking for a short term deal. If you decide to keep him, it means you trade one of Brown/White (or Norris)

It’s why I could live with sweatred’s idea of 20 game protection. But not much more. If he really is a 3c (trade him to NYI for Pageau so they can sign their guys) then White needs to move to the wing. 3 OA, Brown and Norris are the three we need to see in action. Chlapik should get a shot as well. Short season. Play the kids so we get a good idea for 2021

 

[Cosmix]

I think Tierney is a lot more valuable than an Abramov type prospect to the Sens. He is the only thing between a disaster if Norris, White, and/or Brown stall. 20 games in if any of the kids can carry some play he may be expendable.

By disaster you mean another race to the bottom for a high draft pick in 2021? I think it is the Senator's destiny next season.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

By disaster you mean another race to the bottom for a high draft pick in 2021? I think it is the Senator's destiny next season.

All part of the plan. If Tierney could take that broom handle out of his you know what he might be more likeable.
Anyway Tierney is ok he is not a difference maker that's going to drag us out of the basement.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

One day this guy will be brought up in some "Name that obscure Senator nobody remembers" thread and we will all rejoice over him contributing nothing of note and being soft as butter in the sun.

 

[Sweatred]

By disaster you mean another race to the bottom for a high draft pick in 2021? I think it is the Senator's destiny next season.

No ... I mean a bit worse that that. Last year we had Pageau, Hainsey, Names, Ennis, Anderson, types to odeflect the ugly stuff... this year we have Brady, White, and Chabot to shield the rookies.

 

[SensFactor]

I'd trade Tierney for McDavid

 

[JD1]

No ... I mean a bit worse that that. Last year we had Pageau, Hainsey, Names, Ennis, Anderson, types to odeflect the ugly stuff... this year we have Brady, White, and Chabot to shield the rookies.

We'll be better next year than this year

 

[Sweatred]

We'll be better next year than this year

That’s good to know ... Batherson May replaced Ennis (Ennis was pretty good for us) and Norris won’t replace Pager. If Duc reverts I don’t see anyone likely to pick up those goals?

Arti and Ryan aren’t getting any younger.

 

[JD1]

That’s good to know ... Batherson May replaced Ennis (Ennis was pretty good for us) and Norris won’t replace Pager. If Duc reverts I don’t see anyone likely to pick up those goals?

Arti and Ryan aren’t getting any younger.

Well then you should thank me for filling you in

 

[robsenz]

One day this guy will be brought up in some "Name that obscure Senator nobody remembers" thread and we will all rejoice over him contributing nothing of note and being soft as butter in the sun.

Well said.

 

[Sweatred]

Well said.

I don’t see many forwards having a better upcoming year than Tierney?

1. Brady
2. Duclair ?
3. Tierney
4. Batherson
5. Norris

He could easily be our second best forward.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don’t see many forwards having a better upcoming year than Tierney?

1. Brady
2. Duclair ?
3. Tierney
4. Batherson
5. Norris

He could easily be our second best forward.

Safe to say we will be firmly in the basement again if that is the case.

 

[Sweatred]

Safe to say we will be firmly in the basement again if that is the case.

I am hopeful Norris and Bath may contribute more but I think that is a a big ask.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I am hopeful Norris and Bath may contribute more but I think that is a a big ask.

I do as well, and youth taking over roles will be what's needed to progress beyond the basement, but I agree that development will likely move slower than we would like.

 

[Sensinitis]

Tierney is a young vet like presence on the team who has pretty good skill and smarts but lacks in important physical aspects of the game like skating and shooting. With good opportunity he locks 40 points at minimum. I’d keep him and trade him during or right before his UFA years. Also creates some internal competition for a C spot for our young centers Norris/L.Brown/Pinto/White/Byfield/Stutzle

 

[Cosmix]

No ... I mean a bit worse that that. Last year we had Pageau, Hainsey, Names, Ennis, Anderson, types to odeflect the ugly stuff... this year we have Brady, White, and Chabot to shield the rookies.

Yeah, beating Detroit for the last place position and highest probability of winning a top 3 draft pick.