Player Discussion Chris Kreider

[NYRangers0723]

Not that I think Kreider won't decline overall over the life of a six or seven year deal, but his greatest asset has never been his scoring, but is rather his effect as a play-driver. This has been shown not to decline nearly as rapidly. And as someone pointed out, Kreider will be in the back half of a six year deal when he's 33 anyway.

Yeah if we give him a 6 year deal then in the worst scenario he isn’t as effective in the final year which isn’t as big of a deal. Some are acting like in 2 years he is gonna suck lol

 

[TheDirtyH]

Yes. Edge has said repeatedly that the largest hurdle on this deal is the ramifications it has on our current cap situation, and that tracks. Not that a 7mil 35+ player is an uncommon problem on a roster, but if we weren't f***ed by having Staal and Smith (and Hank, to a lesser extent) on the payroll, I think resigning him would be waaaay more likely.

 

[offdacrossbar]

if they could agree to this deal, i think CK is pulled off the market now.

if kreider resigns it will be for a home team discount to stay here. which i believe he wants to do. future captain imo. i do not believe he wants to leave this organization at all.

5 yrs/6.75 mil

the "discount" will be term. the 6.75 is still a decent value and he stays here. win/win

say goodbye to ryan and his mom. they are gone. quickie gone too. and brady skjei as well.

kreider 5/6.5

buchnevich stays.

gone

stromer
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skeji
smith

 

[Trxjw]

I can see Jost being intriguing to the Rangers. There's a pedigree there that doesn't exist with most of the other pieces being talked about. The question is whether or not he's a guy who is still salvageable. There are moments where you see the skill and understand why he was a top-10 pick, but they're few and far between and he doesn't have the pace to keep up with the Avs system.

Kaut can be a good complimentary winger, but the Rangers just got a better one in Gauthier. Overall it wouldn't be a terrible package depending on that conditional pick.

 

[NYRangers0723]

if they could agree to this deal, i think CK is pulled off the market now.

if kreider resigns it will be for a home team discount to stay here. which i believe he wants to do. future captain imo. i do not believe he wants to leave this organization at all.

5 yrs/6.75 mil

the "discount" will be term. the 6.75 is still a decent value and he stays here. win/win

say goodbye to ryan and his mom. they are gone. quickie gone too. and brady skjei as well.

kreider 5/6.5

buchnevich stays.

gone

stromer
fast
skeji
smith

Agreed. CK wants to stay here. I feel the closer we get the more he will agree to take a little less

 

[TheDirtyH]

I'd be so annoyed if Jost came back. He's really a blah player. Have no idea where he'd slot in with us. He's not a talented scorer and he's not a good checker. He's just fastish. Like a younger, slightly better Greg McKegg.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Everyone who is realistic knows Newhook and the like aren't going to be available. That doesn't mean guys like Kaut aren't still very good guys to add to the Rangers pool

But the Rangers might like someone like Beecher more than Kaut hence why I asked

I would take a similar return to what Edge posted, but with Beecher; no questions asked.

Kaut... meh. He smells like a bust.

Jost is a decent gamble though, and I wouldn't freak out of that was the deal we ended up swinging.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I wonder if getting Gauthier influences what kind of player they're looking for in return if they decide to trade Kreider. Kaut seems kinda redundant now.

 

[Ghost of jas]

if they could agree to this deal, i think CK is pulled off the market now.

if kreider resigns it will be for a home team discount to stay here. which i believe he wants to do. future captain imo. i do not believe he wants to leave this organization at all.

5 yrs/6.75 mil

the "discount" will be term. the 6.75 is still a decent value and he stays here. win/win

say goodbye to ryan and his mom. they are gone. quickie gone too. and brady skjei as well.

kreider 5/6.5

buchnevich stays.

gone

stromer
fast
skeji
smith

If Kreider re-signs, it’s going to be for 6 years. I would almost bet on it.

 

[CasusBelli]

if they could agree to this deal, i think CK is pulled off the market now.

if kreider resigns it will be for a home team discount to stay here. which i believe he wants to do. future captain imo. i do not believe he wants to leave this organization at all.

5 yrs/6.75 mil

the "discount" will be term. the 6.75 is still a decent value and he stays here. win/win

say goodbye to ryan and his mom. they are gone. quickie gone too. and brady skjei as well.

kreider 5/6.5

buchnevich stays.

gone

stromer
fast
skeji
smith

I’m good with that.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I wonder if getting Gauthier influences what kind of player they're looking for in return if they decide to trade Kreider. Kaut seems kinda redundant now.

John Beecher, Trent Frederic, Jakub Lauko, and 1st from Bruins for Kreider, Fast?

 

[NYSPORTS]

I feel the closer we get to the deadline the more CK would be willing to accept a smaller deal. I just get the feeling he isn’t keen on going anywhere else except obviously Boston but they have nothing that make me get excited lol

Pure speculation. Com’on. Personal feelings now?

 

[offdacrossbar]

If Kreider re-signs, it’s going to be for 6 years. I would almost bet on it.

still scared by that extra year.

5 years/6.5 -7 mil i think gets it done. plus the promise of the C.

the term is the issue and continues to be with these 2nd contracts.

i think CK, with all his smarts and such, could be very happy retiring after that 5 yr deal is up.

hell be 29 in 2 mos. takes him to 34 yrs of age. i think 5 gets it done.

however, the thought of a 1st rounder (even a late one) plus a B+/A- prospect and potentially another conditional pick coming back AND the cap room he creates....

i dunno.

im still leaning trade.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Pure speculation. Com’on. Personal feelings now?

everything here is speculation...

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

John Beecher, Trent Frederic, Jakub Lauko, and 1st from Bruins for Kreider, Fast?

This strikes me more as quantity over quality trade. I don't want him traded, but if he is they gotta bring back one can't miss guy that has at least 2nd line potential. Maybe that's Beecher, I don't know. I'm not a scout.

 

[NYRangers0723]

still scared by that extra year.

5 years/6.5 -7 mil i think gets it done. plus the promise of the C.

the term is the issue and continues to be with these 2nd contracts.

i think CK, with all his smarts and such, could be very happy retiring after that 5 yr deal is up.

hell be 29 in 2 mos. takes him to 34 yrs of age. i think 5 gets it done.

however, the thought of a 1st rounder (even a late one) plus a B+/A- prospect and potentially another conditional pick coming back AND the cap room he creates....

i dunno.

im still leaning trade.

5 year deal would be perfect but I could live with 6.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

He's not signing for less than 6 years and even that's probably a stretch. These 5 year deals people are pining for is as likely as them getting Newhook.

 

[NYSPORTS]

everything here is speculation...

Not true at all. Plenty of objective information

 

[NYRangers0723]

He's not signing for less than 6 years and even that's probably a stretch. These 5 year deals people are pining for is as likely as them getting Newhook.

True

 

[Brief Candle]

I just got a notification from the ESPN app that said Kreider to the Avs, and it turned out to be a "These are the trades we'd like to see" bullshit article. Ugh... Dicks.

 

[Hockey Gamer]

time is winding down. I gotta say, if he does get traded I understand but I will feel a bit sad. He has been one of my favorite players and when I think of the Rangers' identity, he definitely is a huge component of that picture.

Back when I was in college, I was sitting on my couch in my apartment, watching the NHL draft when the Rangers selected Kreider. I remember two very distinct things after the Rangers selected Kreider. The first was Lou Lamoriello standing up in frustration at his table when the Rangers got him. The commentary even said how they saw a noticeable and riled up Lamoriello, because the Lou wanted Kreider bad. The second thing was shortly after that, the production crew threw up a screen that listed the speed ratings for that entire draft class. They used a 10 point scale and Kreider was rated as a 9.8, while the second fastest skater was something in the 8s. Pierre was raving about the speed of Kreider and saying how he decimated everyone in that year's ratings.

Fast forward to when we finally saw him play for us in that playoff series (I think it was against the Senators). I remember when he scored a huge goal for us in that series and then finally when we played the Devils, he had a number of huge moments. In one of our home games, Pierre literally said on the broadcast "A star is being born" shortly after Kreider scored a breakaway goal against Brodeur for us and then dropped to his knees and was roaring like a monster on the ice. I think I've seen this actual moment in some people's avatars here.

Well, if he's tenure with the Rangers is over, he has given us some great moments of entertainment.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I know the team pushing for a playoff spot isn't going to influence what Gorton does but man, if they win tonight and are only 4 points out of the last wildcard with games in hand. Going to be interesting to say the least.

 

[NYRangers0723]

time is winding down. I gotta say, if he does get traded I understand but I will feel a bit sad. He has been one of my favorite players and when I think of the Rangers' identity, he definitely is a huge component of that picture.

Back when I was in college, I was sitting on my couch in my apartment, watching the NHL draft when the Rangers selected Kreider. I remember two very distinct things after the Rangers selected Kreider. The first was Lou Lamoriello standing up in frustration at his table when the Rangers got him. The commentary even said how they saw a noticeable and riled up Lamoriello, because the Lou wanted Kreider bad. The second thing was shortly after that, the production crew threw up a screen that listed the speed ratings for that entire draft class. They used a 10 point scale and Kreider was rated as a 9.8, while the second fastest skater was something in the 8s. Pierre was raving about the speed of Kreider and saying how he decimated everyone in that year's ratings.

Fast forward to when we finally saw him play for us in that playoff series (I think it was against the Senators). I remember when he scored a huge goal for us in that series and then finally when we played the Devils, he had a number of huge moments. In one of our home games, Pierre literally said on the broadcast "A star is being born" shortly after Kreider scored a breakaway goal against Brodeur for us and then dropped to his knees and was roaring like a monster on the ice. I think I've seen this actual moment in some people's avatars here.

Well, if he's tenure with the Rangers is over, he has given us some great moments of entertainment.

Good Post. I feel there are two camps. Those who see that for the 19th overall pick he has been a big success and been a real good top 6 player with big playoff goals. There is also another camp who had crazy expectations for him based on the 2012 playoffs and anything less was a disappointment if their eyes. If he is infeed traded then hopefully the majority would appreciate the type of player he was and how he grew as a player

 

[duhmetreE]

Feels like yesterday.... Thanks Loffen

 

[TominNC]

Since this year and next are “trying” for a playoff spot as youngsters develop then trading Kreider makes sense. As this team becomes a true cup contender he’ll be starting on his downward path. He’ll become less of an asset through the next window. Move him now for assets that will enhance that window.