Player Discussion Chris Kreider

[Pawnee Rangers]

I agree, I doubt 5 years would be seriously considered unless the dollars are high.

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[Ghost of jas]

Again, the insinuation is that Kreider would like to get to 7 x 7, while the Rangers are likely at 6.5 x 6. Will someone blink? Is there room for movement? TBD...

 

[offdacrossbar]

That may be your view, but it is not that of the Rangers. Again, we need to stick with reality. Or at least should. If they can sign him for a price they are comfortable at, it will be for 6.

5/7 do we offer that and does he accept that ? nope.

no way we go 7/7 not happening. might get that elsewhere though. gorton will take his best deal and run away from that contract as he should.

so the middle ground is where the deal lies.

6/7 is that the figure to keep #20 i think thats too rich still.

6/6.5 then is where we prob are right now offer wise. he just needs to agree.

again, still prefer he gets moved to stay with the plan.

 

[duhmetreE]

That's why I think it has to be one or the other for the Rangers.

I think they're willing to compromise on the years, or the salary, but not both.

I'll venture the debate might not be so much about 6 years at $6.5m vs. $6.75m, so much as it might be about 6 years at $6.5m, vs. 7 years at $7m.

And to that latter point, that's where I think that's where the response would be if you want years, the salary needs to come down, or if you want $7 million, the years need to come down. And I'll be honest, I'm not sure the Rangers want to touch $7 million regardless of whether it's for 7 years or 6 years.

6x6.75 is a hometown discount.

Its surprising to me because I dont see the cap being an issue. $6.75M or 7.75M wont make or break us if its 5/6 years

 

[Edge]

6x6.75 is a hometown discount.

Its surprising to me because I dont see the cap being an issue. $6.75M or 7.75M wont make or break us if its 5/6 years

And the $6.75 figure goes back to an exchange @jas and I had earlier. I'm on the fence as to whether the Rangers go that high, but I definitely think $6.75 x 6 could be a potential line in the sand for the Rangers.

And to your point, it would represent a discount of approximately $8.5 million compared to the expected market price.

Is that too much of a discount for Kreider's camp? I don't know. My answer is that might very well be.

 

[Off Sides]

I could see the Rangers final offer being $6.5 x 6.

A sort of take it or leave it Callahan type moment.

If he doesn't, Kreider and Andersson to Colorado for Jost, Kaut, a first and a conditional pick. (Stealing this concept from another poster).

I would not even like to see them go anywhere near 6.5Mx6 so I'd take that trade or a similar one and run.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

And the $6.75 figure goes back to an exchange @jas and I had earlier. I'm on the fence as to whether the Rangers go that high, but I definitely think $6.75 x 6 could be a potential line in the sand for the Rangers.

And to your point, it would represent a discount of approximately $8.5 million compared to the expected market price.

Is that too much of a discount for Kreider's camp? I don't know. My answer is that might very well be.

I'm asking because I have no idea. But what would you think is an acceptable hometown discount?

 

[MetalJaws]

Round and round we go.

GMJG please do the things.

 

[Rongomania]

I'm asking because I have no idea. But what would you think is an acceptable hometown discount?

Kakko/Krav/Chytil/Foxy/Igor hit their potential in the next two years - their eventual contract extensions make me want absolutely zero part in a brand new Chris Kreider contract.

Byeeeeeee

 

[Leonardo87]

I just can’t wait for this to be over. Monday cannot come soon enough.

 

[Edge]

I'm asking because I have no idea. But what would you think is an acceptable hometown discount?

Well, let me break this down into two answers.

Me, personally, I'm not enthralled by the concept of going over 6x6. I think I even mentioned having my arm twisted to $6.25m or so. I don't have a desire for a 7 to be in either column.

The Rangers, I suspect, might be looking at $6.5m, and I'm on the fence as to whether they'd go $6.75m. It's possible the Rangers can live with 7 years, but then I think their line in the sand is definitely closer to $6.5, if not lower. I don't think there's nearly the desire to hit $7m, even if it is for 5 or 6 years.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Kakko/Krav/Chytil/Foxy/Igor hit their potential in the next two years - their eventual contract extensions make me want absolutely zero part in a brand new Chris Kreider contract.

Byeeeeeee

safe travels

 

[duhmetreE]

Kakko/Krav/Chytil/Foxy/Igor hit their potential in the next two years - their eventual contract extensions make me want absolutely zero part in a brand new Chris Kreider contract.

Byeeeeeee

good thing they're restricted and controllable

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Well, let me break this down into two answers.

Me, personally, I'm not enthralled by the concept of going over 6x6. I think I even mentioned having my arm twisted to $6.25m or so. I don't have a desire for a 7 to be in either column.

The Rangers, I suspect, might be looking at $6.5m, and I'm on the fence as to whether they'd go $6.75m. It's possible the Rangers can live with 7 years, but then I think their line in the sand is definitely closer to $6.5, if not lower. I don't think there's nearly the desire to hit $7m, even if it is for 5 or 6 years.

If we assume he'd get 7x7 this summer, the Rangers high end offer is asking him to take $3.5m less? I don't want to rile up any of the capitalists here, but that doesn't seem terrible if he, in fact, wants to stay.

 

[Edge]

If we assume he'd get 7x7 this summer, the Rangers high end offer is asking him to take $3.5m less? I don't want to rile up any of the capitalists here, but that doesn't seem terrible if he, in fact, wants to stay.

If they're willing to go $6.5x7, I think that's where a deal could get done. But again, I don't know if their number is closer $6 million if they go to 7 years, or how set Kreider is on getting the max deal.

If it's closer to $6 million, then you start getting into a $5 million+ difference.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Kakko/Krav/Chytil/Foxy/Igor hit their potential in the next two years - their eventual contract extensions make me want absolutely zero part in a brand new Chris Kreider contract.

Byeeeeeee

Can Kravtsov get to the NHL first before we start worrying about his contract extension?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Again, the insinuation is that Kreider would like to get to 7 x 7, while the Rangers are likely at 6.5 x 6. Will someone blink? Is there room for movement? TBD...

Kreider isn't leaving 10M on the table.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

If they're willing to go $6.5x7, I think that's where a deal could get done. But again, I don't know if their number is closer $6 million if they go to 7 years, or how set Kreider is on getting the max deal.

If it's closer to $6 million, then you start getting into a $5 million+ difference.

Right. Simplistic but if he asked for 7 and the offer 6, maybe there's a way to meet in the middle.

 

[SickNice]

Or they've made up their mind to trade him but are looking to stir up interest / price by these negotiating. His status isn't a secret, and wasn't the first time they broached a new contract like a week or so ago?

 

[Edge]

Kreider isn't leaving 10M on the table.

And that depends on if the Rangers are willing to give the 7th year.

If they are, and Kreider agrees to $6.5, they've each sacrificed something. But the Rangers getting 6x6 is as unlikely as Kreider getting 7x7.

So the question becomes, if the Rangers don't want a $7 million salary, is $6.5 x 7 the sweet spot? I think it could be. I'm less certain about the willingness to $6.75 x 7 though.

 

[CasusBelli]

I could live with any of these:

8 years: max $5MM (front-load the cash)
7 years: max $6.5MM
6 years: max $7.0MM
5 years: max $7.5MM
4 years: max $7.75 with NMC

Is any of them realistic? That’s a separate question.

 

[Captain Lindy]

Like many here I hate Kreider's "absences".

And the fact that he has chosen this precise moment in time to play like a hockey God. Like I've never seen him play before is just....great.

Nevertheless, I say sign him. Here's why:

Some obvious (to me anyway) points.

1) We won't get back what we're giving away.
2) We need some homegrown vets in this rebuild...and the kids seem to like & respect Kreids.
3) We will be further from the playoffs w/o him and, I think we get to the playoffs faster and go deeper if we keep him.
4) I can't think of a player I'd rather have causing havoc in front of the other teams net during a playoff game.
5)I think he'll be a solid contributor for years to come. Even with his inconsistency.

That's what I got.

It's up to Gorts and Kreids. I hope they can work it out.

Just don't trade him to the Fing Isles. That would really piss me off.

Who do the Isles have to offer in a trade? Barzal? That isn't happening. Plus, it is very rare a trade happens with a hated rival like that joke of an organization. I love how they always say they hate us and WE are garbage, yet want our players.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Or they've made up their mind to trade him but are looking to stir up interest / price by these negotiating. His status isn't a secret, and wasn't the first time they broached a new contract like a week or so ago

?

Doubtful

 

[gravey9]

And that depends on if the Rangers are willing to give the 7th year.

If they are, and Kreider agrees to $6.5, they've each sacrificed something. But the Rangers getting 6x6 is as unlikely as Kreider getting 7x7.

So the question becomes, if the Rangers don't want a $7 million salary, is $6.5 x 7 the sweet spot? I think it could be. I'm less certain about the willingness to $6.75 x 7 though.

I think they find a way to resign Kreider. That said, I know everyone keeps bringing up 7x7 for CK as the ask. But don't you think if he made it to FA a few teams might be willing to offer closer to 8m?

 

[jratelle19]

Simply a guess on my part, but I feel that whatever the Rangers might be offering KK, his agent feels that he can more (cash, years, or both) hitting the FA market. So I think that a trade will be the most probable route. At this point, I would imagine that Gorton has gotten his offers and is holding out until the last hours to see if any of the suitors blinks. Again, simply a guess.