Ghost of jas
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Gut feeling is that if Kreider does re-sign, it’s going to be for 6 years.
Player Discussion Chris Kreider
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Ok Cool. Look I don’t have a problem with those who prefer trade. My issue is when some says things that aren’t true just because they want him gone. That’s not you I’m just saying in general. Look I’ve said from the start that if CK wants to stay here(I believe he does) then he has to sacrifice some term/money. Do I want him to stay? Absolutely we have nobody to fill in the void of what he does. Plus I have faith in this team...we are still in this thing!!! My last point is that I’m not convinced we are getting this massive return for a rental. Colorado has already said they aren’t giving up their top prospects. So I do think people expecting that are gonna be disappointed
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Ok? 9 people is fair.
It's always the same people. I think Kreider will be a part of that crowd? I don't get what you're saying.
Assuming he signs 6 years, age 34 season would be his last.
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I was merely expanding on what you responded to by giving more historical context. That's all. Just showing that the numbers brought up aren't an anomaly but that in the salary cap era there has been a steep decline of 33+ players hitting 40 points for various reasons.
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I don't think anyone should expect to be blown away.
That would be my caution sign to everyone.
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I don't hate Kreider as someone suggested. I just don't like the way the future looks for him, based on historical context. I don't buy the "Kreider won't decline after 30" narrative. I just don't. It's far more likely that he will, than that he won't and in the current situation I feel that's too risky. We aren't contending yet. This isn't an elite player like Panarin who tend to age well. This is a player whose best years ahead are year 1 and 2 of his new deal. And I still believe we will be true contenders after 2022. The timeline just doesn't fit for Kreider and the Rangers IMO
Ghost of jas
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That’s what I originally called my sweetspot for a deal, but, given your recent updates, I could see it being closer to $6.75 million, if there is conceding in the areas of the movement clauses.
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I get that.
but when you see Zajac, Parise, Staal, Oshie, Brown and Pavelski on the list... I can foresee Kreider maintaining his point total on a 'healthy' season.
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Jost is still absurdly young, hopefully a switch is flipped and he turns it on. I've seen players do 180's on this team... Maybe Quinn deserves more credit
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I would never accuse you of hating Kreider. I get what you mean. I’m not trying to say he is gonna be dominant at 34. However I personally believe he can be very effective for the majority of the new contract. If he had one more year we can simply buy him out. Plus with the cap rising it shouldn’t be as big of an issue.
I feel the closer we get to the deadline the more CK would be willing to accept a smaller deal. I just get the feeling he isn’t keen on going anywhere else except obviously Boston but they have nothing that make me get excited lol
Oshie and to a lesser extent Brown, are really the only guys who fit the same profile.
I think aging like Oshie is really a best case scenario for Kreider.
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Colorado obviously but there is no chance in hell we are getting them for a rental lol
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Everyone who is realistic knows Newhook and the like aren't going to be available. That doesn't mean guys like Kaut aren't still very good guys to add to the Rangers pool
But the Rangers might like someone like Beecher more than Kaut hence why I asked
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He's not like any of them.
Theres only 1-2 guys that play at this level with that size and speed. He will not lose his speed... He may lose a step, but not become slow. Instead of going around the rink in 13.5.. he'll be 14ish
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I think Boston might have the cross section of usable pieces, and guys the Rangers can actually get.
Colorado has the better top shelf prospects, but you're almost certainly not getting a top shelf prospect for a rental. So when you start looking at the levels below that, there's probably more interest in what Boston has.
In Colorado's case, they'd probably have to come back with something that provides intrigue for the Rangers. My question with Kaut is whether the Rangers would really want that in the wake of landing Gauthier.
I think they want someone who could give them a ROI for the left side --- so that's where someone like Lauko would be more intriguing to them.
Not that I think Kreider won't decline overall over the life of a six or seven year deal, but his greatest asset has never been his scoring, but is rather his effect as a play-driver. This has been shown not to decline nearly as rapidly. And as someone pointed out, Kreider will be in the back half of a six year deal when he's 33 anyway.
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Yep, and if they can't get a forward like Newhook (which I agree they probably can't), then given what the team is building, I think they may have more interest in a Beecher for the bottom six, rather than a guy like Kaut for the middle six.
