I think that saying that a 19 year old that will not turn 20 until February is going to produce as a legit top line player is a bit of a stretch. At least to me. I believe that 25 goals is a pipe dream for him for next year. Again, YES, I believe that Kakko will eventually be a cornerstone. But that will probably not happen for his first couple of years in the league.
Player Discussion Chris Kreider: Part III
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Harbour Dog
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Just doing some stat-surfing on Kreider.
He has already got his second-most PP TOI in a season, and in that has already scored 2 more PPGs than his career high and is two shots below his career high.
I don't think that does anything to discount his performance. Just an observation of how much more valuable he is when we have a strong PP and a coach who leans on the top unit.
He has already got his second-most PP TOI in a season, and in that has already scored 2 more PPGs than his career high and is two shots below his career high.
I don't think that does anything to discount his performance. Just an observation of how much more valuable he is when we have a strong PP and a coach who leans on the top unit.
The Rangers were still competitive at the time and they traded for a guy who had ended his previous season as an inferior player.
I don’t think there was tremendous downside or anything. But it could have not worked out.
I’m not sure why this is even being debated though. I said from the get-go that it was a good trade - probably Gorton’s best.
Harbour Dog
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A good "gamble". That's where I took exception.
It wasn't a gamble. In my opinion.
But I digress.
leetch99
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There have been some very memorable players who have made entire livings on as bodies in front of the net.
Kreider is quite a dilema. We all know what he is and even (at least the more level headed of us) what he isn't. However, what there is no dollar value to is what he brings in the locker room and off the ice. Add on to that as you point out, him being used exactly this way on the PP, where he could probably continue to operate for years after his speed is diminished.
Of course it would be great for his development. May just not be realistic.
And I expect all of those players to take steps forward. The only question is what is reality based
SirGoose
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Multiple chances at a cup?
Just because he didn't win doesn't mean he didn't give the team a chance. 1 team wins each year. It's a travesty that Joe and Marleau haven't won, but that doesn't change that they're both going to get their numbers retired and are 2 of the most beloved players in that teams history.
The Crypto Guy
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Indeed. But i don't think 10-15 points is out of the question or being at all unrealistic for Kakko. I think he will have a great offseason and be much more prepared for the NHL next season. Though nothing against him this year, he had a lot going on last year/summer and had no real idea how to prepare for hockey in the NHL, plus he was 18 and there were more adjustments he had to make this year aside from just hockey.
Everyone else should continue to improve a bit as well.
leetch99
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LOL...maybe they also would have been better without him and won a couple of Cups...goes both ways....No man knows ! Just speculation .
The Crypto Guy
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I'd argue that DeAngelo, the team finally having a legit PP QB, has a lot to do with higher goal/point totals on the PP.
True Tony makes a difference. But Kreider’s net presence is also very crucial
From age 29 -36 Marleau had 71, 83, 73, 64, 31 (48 games), 70, 53 and 48 point seasons. I think it’s safe to say he wasn’t holding San Jose back from winning.
Mike in Houston
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I'd hate to see what would become of Buchnevich if Kreider is dealt. He loves Chris.
You'd hope he'd be fine. At the end of the day and in this type of business, players move.
leetch99
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You can say it true enough....you just can't back it up with facts . They won no Cups with him ...that is a fact . Anything else is speculation ...should have / could have means diddly squat .....and the rest is just wishful thinking .
I think he means chemistry wise. I understand that there those who are excited to trade him but it’s ok to also admit that he does leave a void with how he plays and how that effects other players
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I'm in the trade Buch, Strome, Skjei camp if it means signing Kreider. Panarin and Zib are in their prime, we have 2 good goalies that are ready now, good young defenseman. This team isn't far from being in the playoffs.
Crease
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I mean, by this logic the Rangers should have traded Lundqvist at the 2013 deadline.
haohmaru
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So, San Jose didn't win a Cup because of Marleau? 1/19th of the equation if my math is right.
offdacrossbar
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kreider brings back a late 1st and a B+ prospect.
thats the market.
that plus the cap space is what we are looking at.
thats the market.
that plus the cap space is what we are looking at.
Maximus
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Will be fascinating to see what Sakic does at the deadline now that Rantanen is out for 6-8 weeks with a possible broken clavicale according to Adrian Dater of the Denver Post who is their "Uncle Larry".
With Kadri and Calvert out also, it's possible Sakic might blink a bit and give us a bit more than he wanted to in return for Kreider who would be quite a nice band aid for the time being to help. the Avs withstand their injury situation. And than when their walking wounded come back which should be before the playoffs, Kreider could be the guy to put them over the top!
I for one was hoping before their pretty significant injury situation we could get more than just Jost and a 1st from the Avs. Now I'd like to think Gorton will be savvy enough to not make Sakic think he's being taken advantage of due to their situation and hopefully finesse someone better than Jost as the extra piece necessary to get a deal done.
We shalt see soon enough and tho I'd love to see if we could finagle Newhook from them and that would have been an impossibility before tonight's unfortunate Rantanen injury, if the Avs want to make a run at a very winnable West with the Blues looking a bit vulnerable and the Stars maybe their next best opponent, maybe the Avs do blink and send us Newhook if we sweeten the deal a bit adding a bit more to just Kreider....hmmmm....Monday can't get here soon enough!!
With Kadri and Calvert out also, it's possible Sakic might blink a bit and give us a bit more than he wanted to in return for Kreider who would be quite a nice band aid for the time being to help. the Avs withstand their injury situation. And than when their walking wounded come back which should be before the playoffs, Kreider could be the guy to put them over the top!
I for one was hoping before their pretty significant injury situation we could get more than just Jost and a 1st from the Avs. Now I'd like to think Gorton will be savvy enough to not make Sakic think he's being taken advantage of due to their situation and hopefully finesse someone better than Jost as the extra piece necessary to get a deal done.
We shalt see soon enough and tho I'd love to see if we could finagle Newhook from them and that would have been an impossibility before tonight's unfortunate Rantanen injury, if the Avs want to make a run at a very winnable West with the Blues looking a bit vulnerable and the Stars maybe their next best opponent, maybe the Avs do blink and send us Newhook if we sweeten the deal a bit adding a bit more to just Kreider....hmmmm....Monday can't get here soon enough!!
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Yeah but maybe the team should hand Kreider 7 years just to make sure Buch’s feelings are OK
Amazing Kreiderman
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And Zuccarello hated when Hagelin was traded in 2015, and when Brassard was traded in 2016.
And Lundqvist was literally crying last year when Zuccarello was traded.
You really can't let that affect the decisions by our GM
Again, I have no doubts that he will do what needs to be done and take steps forward. I however will haircut expectations, just by looking at the probabilities in teenagers making such leaps.
I think that most young players mention preparation as something they learn once in the league. I will say that hes production for this year is not just a result of not preparing as he would in the future. It is a case of what to expect out of teens playing in the best league in the world.
That certainly is the hope and what the rebuild rests on.
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