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Player Discussion Chris Kreider: Part III

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Edge said:
It doesn’t.

I just think it’s much, much easier to take that stance when we’re not the one leaving $13 million on the table.

So in that regard, I can’t blame him if it is his biggest consideration — or at least one of them.
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I wouldn't blame him either for taking the best deal he can find in respect to term and $'s. Or he can balance to take less to play in a place that isn't New York but it's not Buffalo or Columbus either (or maybe it is). He has variables to consider---money, length of term, what cities he likes best, viability of a team to contend.
 
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Larrybiv said:
He can retire TODAY and be that. But I do agree and was thinking that, and trying to come up with a comparable.
At the end of the day, will any paltry 7-10 extra million be satisfying enough, and COVER being miserable playing for another team when NY is your home and missing all of the friends you have made? Someday playing AGAINST Mika and the Breadman?

This IS a business, make no mistake. But, if the Rangers wanted to play equivalent HARDBALL (if indeed, that is what Kreids camp is doing) then if I am the Rangers, I trade him to a crappy team or somewhere where he would be miserable for a half a season. Go fetch your money, screw you.
Hank and others got theirs.......and in the end, it was the team that got screwed. Finally, maybe finally this organization will be less in LOVE with players they need to break ties with. (See Zucch and Hayes)
Mind you, I AM a fan of that goal scoring, monster faced player.
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Some people do not mind and will look at going to a new team as a challenge to overcome or a new adventure. I don't think Chris is married or has children and if that's the case that makes a move easier too though if he has a girlfriend and she doesn't want to move.....? If the Rangers do trade him it's almost certainly to a team that's going to the playoffs or looks like it. Buffalo, Detroit, San Jose have no use for him. Those teams will be dealing rentals too if they can for prospects and picks. If we trade Chris we try to get as much as possible out of the deal.
 
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It is going to be tricky, but if the Rangers aren’t planning on going all Sabres on everyone and rebuilding in perpetuity, then there needs to be some semblance of veteran leadership.
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Can we kill this with fire already?

At no point did Buffalo not have "some semblance of veteran leadership"

By the time they had ROR, he was youngish, but he had played 7 full NHL seasons already. Evander Kane had 6.

They had older vets too, Gionta, Moulson, McGinn

They were just team who is in a difficult market, had ownership issues, their choices in management left them directionless, and really they started rebuilding in earnest in 2013, perpetuity?

It's all right here

Buffalo Sabres - Wikipedia
 
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haveandare said:
5 years would make $7m a hell of a lot more palatable imo.
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Keep Kreider said:
I'd do that in a heartbeat.
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I've long said I'd do 4 x $7.5MM or even a bit more. As for 5 x $7.0MM, I'd probably call that my cutoff, as my big concern is term, especially the out years, which will presumably come with a NMC.

Interestingly, however, @Edge seems to think the org is more worried about the AAV than the term.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
I've long said I'd do 4 x $7.5MM or even a bit more. As for 5 x $7.0MM, I'd probably call that my cutoff, as my big concern is term, especially the out years, which will presumably come with a NMC.

Interestingly, however, @Edge seems to think the org is more worried about the AAV than the term.
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I suspect it might have something to do with trying to take advantage of some guys in their early 30s, with some some guys just hitting their prime in their mid-20s, and retaining some flexibility. In other words finding that sweet spot where there's a greater degree of overlap.
 
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Thirty One said:
People have a tendency to forget that Kreider has ever gone hot when he's on a cold streak and to forget that he's ever gone cold when he's on a hot streak.
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There are very few players who can go wide open all 82 games. NEXT!

To be fair, he was mostly cold in his first two or three seasons here but he's pretty consistent now since he's matured.
 
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Machinehead said:
I'm not convinced Kravtsov is Hartford's 2nd line LW next sesaon.

This fanbase needs to get out of the habit of penciling teenagers in wherever.
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It's been so long since we had exciting prospects we've forgotten how typically useless they are until 22-24.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
5 years with a 3 year NMC and 2 years of a limited NTC would be ideal.

Still need to clear out space though and I'm not confident that the FO would move the right guys.
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Hank is very likely to be bought out this summer. There's only one more year left on his contract so the BO penalty won't be bad.
 
Keep Kreider said:
There are very few players who can go wide open all 82 games. NEXT!

To be fair, he was mostly cold in his first two or three seasons here but he's pretty consistent now since he's matured.
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I'm not saying he needs to be consistent across the full season, I'm saying when we evaluate what he is we should consider both the highs and the lows, not just whatever he happens to be on at the time.
 
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Thirty One said:
I'm not saying he needs to be consistent across the full season, I'm saying when we evaluate what he is we should consider both the highs and the lows, not just whatever he happens to be on at the time.
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If they extend him and he plays to his career averages, while doing everything else that he does, I'm good with that.
 
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Off Sides said:
Can we kill this with fire already?

At no point did Buffalo not have "some semblance of veteran leadership"

By the time they had ROR, he was youngish, but he had played 7 full NHL seasons already. Evander Kane had 6.

They had older vets too, Gionta, Moulson, McGinn

They were just team who is in a difficult market, had ownership issues, their choices in management left them directionless, and really they started rebuilding in earnest in 2013, perpetuity?

It's all right here

Buffalo Sabres - Wikipedia
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Not really. They were trending upwards until they moved O'Reilly. Kane IMO not so much---he's a very good player but I'm not sure he was ever a very good leader. Sabres ownership, management, coaching have all contributed to their issues--and the vibe you get off that team is not a winning vibe and that's kind of part of the DNA there now. I don't think that's in the Rangers DNA--at least not yet. It's been a positive vibe all along.
 
If we signed Kreider for 5 years at $7 mil we've got a summer to figure out who to move on from. Just saying. That's a pretty good deal for us considering Hayes is about $7.2 mil for 7 years and I like Hayes but I'd much rather have Kreider.

As far as Kreider's hot and cold streaks--the hot streak he's on now is by far the longest he's ever been on. He and Zibanejad are on a roll and both are hard to handle and they got the chemistry going.
 
eco's bones said:
Not really. They were trending upwards until they moved O'Reilly. Kane IMO not so much---he's a very good player but I'm not sure he was ever a very good leader. Sabres ownership, management, coaching have all contributed to their issues--and the vibe you get off that team is not a winning vibe and that's kind of part of the DNA there now. I don't think that's in the Rangers DNA--at least not yet. It's been a positive vibe all along.
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The ROR trade was bad for them, yet I was more talking about their whole "rebuild" They had some vets, they had some youngish guys who were in the league for a long time, it was not bare earth, and neither would it be for the Rangers if they did move Kreider.

They'd actually have more than Buffalo with Panarin, Zbad, Trouba, Skjei they may keep Strome/Fast, Buch will be in his 5th year, DeAngelo, both youngish goalies are 24 going on 25. Staal, Smith, Lundqvist is they are still there.

Rangers becoming Buffalo in my opinion is a terrible comparison being mixed in with scare tactic overtones.
 
I am not sure how creative teams are allowed to get with contracts under the CBA but could they do 7 year deal voidable by either side after year 3 with a 7 million base salary in years 1-3 and then production based deduction clauses in years 4-7.Full NTC for all 7 years but either party can walk away in the off-season. It's more like a baseball type contract, but it could be interesting. My gut reading the little news that's coming out is that Kreider has a total dollar value he wants from the next contract. How he gets to that total doesn't really phase him.
 
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