Player Discussion Chris Kreider: Part III

[Edge]

C'mon man, Lemieux stinks. He's average at best. And Kravtsov hasn't played a game in the NHL yet. I'm not saying losing Skjei is a no brainer, but they have more options internally there, way more.

Like I said, if you're giving me the choice of Panarin and Lemiuex without Kreider, or Lindgren, Rykov and Hajek without Skjei, I'm taking the former. Both scenarios require follow-up work.

And in fairness, if Kravtsov having not played a single game in the NHL is an issue, then we have backtrack and include the list of several guys on defense who haven't played in the NHL, and may not even be LDs.

And with regards to Lemieux, if he's average at best, what the heck does that potentially make Hajek and Rykov on LD? I'd say Lemieux is essentially in the same general ballpark as Lindgren.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I said I'd do it. I'm being unreasonable, I admit that. Ideally $6.5. Would I kill the Rangers for not giving him 7x7, absolutely not.

7 is fine. It's fair. Anders Lee is getting 7, Kreider is a better player than him.

He's going to have to accept the JVR deal if he wants to stay. If he takes less, great, but if cashing in is his primary objective, hes gone because I think he gets more than 7x7 on the open market.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Considering the state of this team's bottom 6, something like that should do something for you...but to each his own.

I'd much rather
Kreider - Zib - Buch (Kravtsov)
Panarin - Chytil - Kakko

With Lemieux, Howden, Fast, Baron, Pajuniemi, DiGuiseppe, or whoever. Let them play in the bottom 6. A third liner to replace Kreider, not so much.

 

[Edge]

I said I'd do it. I'm being unreasonable, I admit that. Ideally $6.5. Would I kill the Rangers for not giving him 7x7, absolutely not.

At this point, I'd say let's do an informal poll of everyone and see where people are at.

The offer for Kreider is 7x7. Not 6x5, or 6x6, or 6x7.

It's $6.75-$7M for 7 years, with a NMC. That's what his camp wants.

Do you sign the deal, yes or no?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

7 is fine. It's fair. Anders Lee is getting 7, Kreider is a better player than him.

He's going to have to accept the JVR deal if he wants to stay. If he takes less, great, but if cashing in is his primary objective, hes gone because I think he gets more than 7x7 on the open market.

For sure, I totally agree. It's been said numerous times but the key to him staying is his willingness to take less than what he would get on the open market. And I get the sense he and his agent are gonna say no.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'd much rather
Kreider - Zib - Buch (Kravtsov)
Panarin - Chytil - Kakko

With Lemieux, Howden, Fast, Baron, Pajuniemi, DiGuiseppe, or whoever. Let them play in the bottom 6. A third liner to replace Kreider, not so much.

If you're not going to get off the (wayward) concept that Kreider's trade essentially needs to net his replacement, I don't know if there will be any convincing you.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Like I said, if you're giving me the choice of Panarin and Lemiuex without Kreider, or Lindgren, Rykov and Hajek without Skjei, I'm taking the former. Both scenarios require follow-up work.

And in fairness, if Kravtsov having not played a single game in the NHL is an issue, then we have backtrack and include the list of several guys on defense who haven't played in the NHL, and may not even be LDs.

And with regards to Lemieux, if he's average at best, what the heck does that potentially make Hajek and Rykov on LD? I'd say Lemieux is essentially in the same general ballpark as Lindgren.

Personally, when I look at organizational depth, I'd rather lose Skjei than Kreider. Skjei has had a rough season. I don't think he's been as bad as people around here feel, but he hasn't been great. Nor do I think Hajek has been terrible. And while I agree with most of what you're saying, I don't buy Lindgren being in the same ballpark as Lemiuex. Wanna talk disappearing acts? Lemieux goes games without being noticed on the ice. Lindgren brings something extra to the lineup, I get his limited offensive attribute, but I'd like him on this team as long as possible. And cannot wait to see him in a 7 game series in April.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

If you're not going to get off the (wayward) concept that Kreider's trade essentially needs to net his replacement, I don't know if there will be any convincing you.

I get the concept. All we do here is talk concepts and hypotheticals. Yet, no one can give me a name either in the draft, via FA or a trade that's going to bring back Kreider's speed, size, and net front presence. I just want one. I'm done with accumulating assets, I'm in the let's build the right team, with the right guys who compliment each other phase.

 

[Edge]

Personally, when I look at organizational depth, I'd rather lose Skjei than Kreider. Skjei has had a rough season. I don't think he's been as bad as people around here feel, but he hasn't been great. Nor do I think Hajek has been terrible. And while I agree with most of what you're saying, I don't buy Lindgren being in the same ballpark as Lemiuex. Wanna talk disappearing acts? Lemieux goes games without being noticed on the ice. Lindgren brings something extra to the lineup, I get his limited offensive attribute, but I'd like him on this team as long as possible. And cannot wait to see him in a 7 game series in April.

In a vacuum, yes, I agree. I'd rather lose Skjei than Kreider. But there are other factors at work for me --- which we've discussed and so I won't bore you with repeating.

I can certainly tell you that without Panarin I'd have a hell of a lot more concern about our LW depth without Kreider. But Panarin changes that conversation --- as he should. He's a game changer.

And, if there was a similar player at LD in front of Skjei, I wouldn't have nearly the concern I have now. But we don't have that player, so it really doesn't matter how I'd feel like if a higher-end LHD was playing in front of him.

So for me it's not just Skjei vs. Kreider, it's the surrounding elements as well.

 

[JohnC]

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7 is fine. It's fair. Anders Lee is getting 7, Kreider is a better player than him.

He's going to have to accept the JVR deal if he wants to stay. If he takes less, great, but if cashing in is his primary objective, hes gone because I think he gets more than 7x7 on the open market.

In a perfect world we trade him at the deadline and try to get him back in the summer on something similar to the JVR deal. I don’t see it happening unfortunately :/

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Would freaking love if they got a haul for him and resigned him in July on hometown deal, but Chris can get PAID with the year he he is having. Would be tough to pass up on his end - and his agents.

 

[duhmetreE]

He's a game changer. He drives the play. He's shown growth and tremendous chemistry with Zibs.

We are extremely unlikely to get anything close to that in a trade.

IMO our 'competing window' opens in a season. He should be here for that. If we're willing to give Trouba nearly 10%, Kreider should get his. Our top6 would be set for the foreseeable future. Our defense is taking shape and 'controllable' for some time.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Would freaking love if they got a haul for him and resigned him in July on hometown deal, but Chris can get PAID with the year he he is having. Would be tough to pass up on his end - and his agents.

That would be great but not sure if that is possible. I don’t think they are getting a haul for him because the teams that want him are all at the top so we are looking at a very late first and something else, probably a b level prospect. The Devils at least got a lottery pick for Hall

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[Harbour Dog]

At this point, I'd say let's do an informal poll of everyone and see where people are at.

The offer for Kreider is 7x7. Not 6x5, or 6x6, or 6x7.

It's $6.75-$7M for 7 years, with a NMC. That's what his camp wants.

Do you sign the deal, yes or no?

I do not before the trade deadline.

I would have a long think about it (and probably do it) once he gets to free agency after the season.

 

[Edge]

I do not before the trade deadline.

I would have a long think about it (and probably do it) once he gets to free agency after the season.

And that's all I am looking for. Not looking to debate people's answers.

 

[eco's bones]

It's interesting how, when challenged, the people who seem the loudest about keeping Kreider say "Oh, no, no, no, I'd only be comfortable with 5 years/6 per or something like that," as if that's just a sidebar and not THE major issue.

It's been reported Gorton has been talking to Kreider's agent. Gorton has a #, and Kreider has a right to his #. Depending on how far apart they are will determine if Kreider gets traded or not. It will have very little to do with how concerned the Rangers are at replacing his short-term production.

If you're talking about me I'll get a bit defensive here because I've said numerous times over the past few months about a Kreider contract that I wouldn't want it to really go beyond 5 years but 6 keeps on getting mixed into this by other posters and sources so there's your explanation for the 5/6. Now I don't expect everyone to remember everything I rattle on about here but another thing is I really didn't take that response back to me from Edge as a 'challenge'.......and I also understand that Kreider might want beyond what I or others or most importantly the Rangers would give him--that's been addressed in past remarks as well and if that is so would make necessary trading him. All that said the Rangers needed to sort out where he was at and not talking to his agent while he and Zibanejad at the same time are playing as well as they ever have together needing being done. I look at this as we're in a find out stage--Chris takes a lesser deal and stays or we trade him---that's pretty much all. But IMO we should at least make an attempt to keep him on board.

 

[Edge]

No challenges on my end --- just trying to get an idea of where our comfort zone lies.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If you're talking about me I'll get a bit defensive here because I've said numerous times over the past few months about a Kreider contract that I wouldn't want it to really go beyond 5 years but 6 keeps on getting mixed into this by other posters and sources so there's your explanation for the 5/6. Now I don't expect everyone to remember everything I rattle on about here but another thing is I really didn't take that response back to me from Edge as a 'challenge'.......and I also understand that Kreider might want beyond what I or others or most importantly the Rangers would give him--that's been addressed in past remarks as well and if that is so would make necessary trading him. All that said the Rangers needed to sort out where he was at and not talking to his agent while he and Zibanejad at the same time are playing as well as they ever have together needing being done. I look at this as we're in a find out stage--Chris takes a lesser deal and stays or we trade him---that's pretty much all. But IMO we should at least make an attempt to keep him on board.

Not singling you out, or being comfortable with 5/30M for Kreider. That'd be an incredible situation for the Rangers.

That said, we're getting awfully close to the trade deadline and if Kreider was amicable to those terms, I assume a deal would've been done already.

 

[True Blue]

Do you sign the deal, yes or no?

Nope

For me, $6x6 w/ a NMC, I close my eyes, swallow very hard and sign it. But, much as I like Keider, that’s the hard line.

 

[leetch99]

Trade him...he will be the second coming of DB Cooper once he signs . Plus anybody leaving 15 million on the table is likely a player that none of us will ever figure out . Many of us lament about him now when he goes missing in games . Give our kids his ice and somebody will step up . KK will be better next season without a doubt IMO and Chytil with more ice the same . We will still be a playoff club without CK next season . Think positive ...we will get past it .

 

[Edge]

Nope

For me, $6x6 w/ a NMC, I close my eyes, swallow very hard and sign it. But, much as I like Keider, that’s the hard line.

I'm in the 6x6 camp.

I could even be persuaded to do just north of $6 million if we were that close.

Very little interest in a 7 in either column.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

I say we do both - trade him because we will get an overpay - then go for the singing

makes no sense to not trade him - he is the biggest trade asset in the league at the moment

either way it has been really enjoyable seeing him play so well of late - he’s been a good ranger

 

[Fugazy]

I'm of the mindset to trade him while his value is very high. Exploit teams that are desperate at the deadline.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

I'm of the mindset to trade him while his value is very high. Exploit teams that are desperate at the deadline.

It’s always a “buyer’s market” when we’re sellers though!