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Player Discussion Chris Kreider: Part III

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Trading Kreider is going to set them back. Re-signing him may be dicey and risky towards the end of his contract, but there are always ways of getting out of them. Plus, don't see Kreider breaking down in 6 or so years.
 
Leonardo87 said:
Trading Kreider is going to set them back. Re-signing him may be dicey and risky towards the end of his contract, but there are always ways of getting out of them. Plus, don't see Kreider breaking down in 6 or so years.
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How does trading him set us back? We aren't winning anything the next 2 years. If they get a young player with potential that could be huge for us when the team is contending again. Will Kreider still be a powerful power forward in 3-4 years? My money is on no.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
How does trading him set us back? We aren't winning anything the next 2 years. If they get a young player with potential that could be huge for us when the team is contending again. Will Kreider still be a powerful power forward in 3-4 years? My money is on no.
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Yes, he will.
 
If ck wants to join the rangers. If he has a number he's willing to do that the rangers are comfortable with.. say 6m per for 5 years... I'd tell him... We are going to trade you so we can get you some help for next season. When you hit u. F. A. We will sign you .. or we will trade a 4th or something for your rights and lock you up before you hit free agency.

The rangers need to realize this should literally be the last season they are selling off. Next season needs to be a step forward and a push for the playoffs.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
How does trading him set us back? We aren't winning anything the next 2 years. If they get a young player with potential that could be huge for us when the team is contending again. Will Kreider still be a powerful power forward in 3-4 years still? My money is on no.
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You need guys like him, Mika and Panarin to provide that Vet presence. I expect this team to potentially start competing as early as next year. You are breaking up two guys who have mad chemistry and really are good character for the locker room. Panarin and Trouba did not want to come here to be in a rebuild every year. 1st year I am sure they expected this, but enough is enough, time to turn the corner and start competing next season.

Also, how do you know he will break down in 3 or 4 years or not be the same player. You really don't. This isn't a Callahan or Dubinsky type player we are talking about. Some people on HF just want to dump a guy when he is approaching 30 yo. If we get 5 more very good years of Kreider, it's a win. If he is a 3rd line guy by the end of his contract, that's fine.

Everyone is guaranteeing that guys like Kakko, Kravtsov and Miller are gonna be studs or big key players. There are no guarantees. Except if I took a crap in a box, then you'd have a guaranteed piece of shit. Kreider has proven what he can do, and don't see him slowing down for at least another 5 or so years. For someone like Kreider to slow down will put him at just above average speed, so yeah...
 
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Leonardo87 said:
You need guys like him, Mika and Panarin to provide that Vet presence. I expect this team to potentially start competing as early as next year. You are breaking up two guys who have mad chemistry and really are good character for the locker room. Panarin and Trouba did not want to come here to be in a rebuild every year. 1st year I am sure they expected this, but enough is enough, time to turn the corner and start competing next season.

Also, how do you know he will break down in 3 or 4 years or not be the same player. You really don't. This isn't a Callahan or Dubinsky type player we are talking about. Some people on HF just want to dump a guy when he is approaching 30 yo. If we get 5 more very good years of Kreider, it's a win. If he is a 3rd line guy by the end of his contract, that's fine.

Everyone is guaranteeing that guys like Kakko, Kratsov and Miller are gonna be studs or big key players. There are no guarantees. Except if I took a crap in a box, then you'd have a guaranteed piece of ****. Kreider has proven what he can do, and don't see him slowing down for at least another 5 or so years. For someone like Kreider to slow down will put him at just above average speed, so yeah...
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Boy I miss Chris Farley. I love the Tommy Boy reference. Was I the only one that thought Black Sheep was a better movie than Tommy Boy lmfao both were hilarious. On Kreider he should be kept here within reason of course and he is more valuable to NYR than what teams would give up in my opinion
 
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He's their 3rd best forward and even if Kakko and Kravtsov (i'm being generous with this one) surpass him in two/three years, he'd still be in their top 5. In a few years his contract won't even be bad with the rising salary cap. They have one season to navigate the Lundqvist, Staal and Smith contracts. Good teams find ways to keep their best players.
 
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Oh jeeze.

I can't wait till this guy is traded so this can just end.

Worst cap management possible to keep him. You have younger players and you have our future captain, Mika, who will need to be signed.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
Oh jeeze.

I can't wait till this guy is traded so this can just end.

Worst cap management possible to keep him. You have younger players and you have our future captain, Mika, who will need to be signed.
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Well I already want to keep him so knowing it will piss you off just makes it even better lol
 
Leonardo87 said:
You need guys like him, Mika and Panarin to provide that Vet presence. I expect this team to potentially start competing as early as next year. You are breaking up two guys who have mad chemistry and really are good character for the locker room. Panarin and Trouba did not want to come here to be in a rebuild every year. 1st year I am sure they expected this, but enough is enough, time to turn the corner and start competing next season.

Also, how do you know he will break down in 3 or 4 years or not be the same player. You really don't. This isn't a Callahan or Dubinsky type player we are talking about. Some people on HF just want to dump a guy when he is approaching 30 yo. If we get 5 more very good years of Kreider, it's a win. If he is a 3rd line guy by the end of his contract, that's fine.

Everyone is guaranteeing that guys like Kakko, Kravtsov and Miller are gonna be studs or big key players. There are no guarantees. Except if I took a crap in a box, then you'd have a guaranteed piece of ****. Kreider has proven what he can do, and don't see him slowing down for at least another 5 or so years. For someone like Kreider to slow down will put him at just above average speed, so yeah...
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So you're at the table with his agent. How much, how long?
 
Leonardo87 said:
7 and 7, Limited NTC in the final two years.
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Yeah see, I just don't think the Rangers are going there.

If they were, they would've done it already.
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Yeah the extra year makes it a risk. He would have been re-signed if it was 6 years, imo.
 
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So you're at the table with his agent. How much, how long?
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I'm on a conference call right NAH with CK's agent and JG, we're close to 7 mill for 5 years, full NTC is the hang up right now, I'm texting CK himself to get on the call to convince him to override his agent, I'll be sure keep you posted
 
Leonardo87 said:
Yeah the extra year makes it a risk. He would have been re-signed if it was 6 years, imo.
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See, now I don't.

That 7x7 figure has been floated out there for a long time.

If anything, I think there was some people who didn't think it was that, but now are slowly coming around to it.

In other words, it didn't "rise" to 7x7, it was probably always 7x7.

Which is an important aspect to consider in all of this. Nothing's actually changed --- there's just less time on the clock.

There's very little reason for the Rangers to wait until the 11th hour, let alone not even touch base with Kreider's people, if they were just going to sign him for the same deal they could've had a year ago.
 
romba said:
I'm on a conference call right NAH with CK's agent and JG, we're close to 7 mill for 5 years, full NTC is the hang up right now, I'm texting CK himself to get on the call to convince him to override his agent, I'll be sure keep you posted
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And that's kind of it --- you're looking at being comfortable with an offer that is probably asking CK to leave $14 million on the table.

That's a big gap, and a big compromise, with or without a NMC being part of the conversation.
 
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