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NYR Viper
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I just can't believe how reluctant he has been to attempt to be physical. I'm not talking killing anyone. I'm talking finishing the check after he skates across the ice to get to the puck carrier. He's going a million miles an hour, finish your check. It will create turnovers which will lead to offense
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
Hes a head case. Thinking waaaaay too much out there. You can see it. He's pedestrian.
This is one of those cases where you have a talented, gifted player - thats TOO smart for his own good. Sports is so mental and its something thats always discussed - but when you have truly great athletes, in all sports - the ones that succeed and are great appear to have an aloof dumbness to them.
Its hard to explain. Kreider needs a lobotomy or something. He needs to play more instinctual, primal - almost dumber to use his strengths better. He needs to be a ruthless brute to be effective at times when he is busy analyzing the play instead of confidently taking charge. I can live with the mistakes and bad penalties because the effect on the score and the rest of the teams play would improve.
When he plays well he has that cocky, villainous air about him. He needs to find that **** and roll with it. Get pissed. Show some goddamn emotion. That goes for a lot of players on this team. A little too businesslike. Get back to the roots and play some ****ing hockey.
This is one of those cases where you have a talented, gifted player - thats TOO smart for his own good. Sports is so mental and its something thats always discussed - but when you have truly great athletes, in all sports - the ones that succeed and are great appear to have an aloof dumbness to them.
Its hard to explain. Kreider needs a lobotomy or something. He needs to play more instinctual, primal - almost dumber to use his strengths better. He needs to be a ruthless brute to be effective at times when he is busy analyzing the play instead of confidently taking charge. I can live with the mistakes and bad penalties because the effect on the score and the rest of the teams play would improve.
When he plays well he has that cocky, villainous air about him. He needs to find that **** and roll with it. Get pissed. Show some goddamn emotion. That goes for a lot of players on this team. A little too businesslike. Get back to the roots and play some ****ing hockey.
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charliemurphy
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For a player that is looking for a raise and an extension you have to wonder what the hell is happening. It's not just Krieder. Miller and Hayes are in the same boat. All of whom are not helping their case if not making the case for a major shakeup.
And I can't say having Nash will help in the department of leading by example.
Before the season we could all somewhat agree it would be the Caps, Rangers and Islanders in the playoffs. I know it's too early but this present roster and the way they're playing will be lucky if they make the playoffs. If they do make the playoffs they will be embarrassed. Something has to give soon.
If they keep stinking up the place I wouldn't mind a big change where we see Nash dealt, Staal pushed out and packaged along with a player like Miller and send the others a message to produce or hit the road regardless of how much potential they "think" they have.
And I can't say having Nash will help in the department of leading by example.
Before the season we could all somewhat agree it would be the Caps, Rangers and Islanders in the playoffs. I know it's too early but this present roster and the way they're playing will be lucky if they make the playoffs. If they do make the playoffs they will be embarrassed. Something has to give soon.
If they keep stinking up the place I wouldn't mind a big change where we see Nash dealt, Staal pushed out and packaged along with a player like Miller and send the others a message to produce or hit the road regardless of how much potential they "think" they have.
I don't think he's too smart. I think he's trying to be too smart. Nothing about his game is instinctual right now. And if he was smart enough to really think the game through, he'd be more effective right now.
HockeyBasedNYC
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You may be right. He may be fooling himself .Whatever the case is, he shouldn't have to think the game through at all. At this point he should be reading and reacting. Not reading, analyzing, trying to think it through like a defensively responsible forward - and then reacting.
Kreider has a knack for scoring timely goals in the playoffs, but I'd fall FAR short of calling him a dominant playoff performer. His play away from the puck and in the defensive zone is suspect, much like the regular season.
Leetch66
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We honestly don't have another older forward on our hockey club that can take him under their wing and have a one to one chat on how to play his position every night and have him listen and respect that advice without being insulted .Nope...we have nobody that can talk with him outside the coaching staff who obviously are not connecting with him . I think a well respected older character guy could possibly help him . I have no idea on who though could do this other than Iggy or someone similar who likely is out of our budget .
Must be a guy out there like that somewhere that could replace Glass and babysit Kreider/Miller/Fast/Hayes ??? It could be a valuable addition if he even had a turnaround effect on just one of those guys . Where is that Gary Roberts type of guy buried ???
Must be a guy out there like that somewhere that could replace Glass and babysit Kreider/Miller/Fast/Hayes ??? It could be a valuable addition if he even had a turnaround effect on just one of those guys . Where is that Gary Roberts type of guy buried ???
They should haven never given him a $1M signing bonus, that was a mistake. I know the money's guaranteed in every contract barring some insurance clauses, but he needed to earn it.
Inferno
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his head has nothing to do with it.
hes playing passive...neutered. it happens with him all the time. he gets in this cycle.
starts playing hard...crashes the net, makes hits...takes a major penalty. gets passive, is scared to hit/crash the net, gets yelled at/benched. starts playing hard...crashed the net...and so on
he just needs to play hard and we need to accept the bad penalties he takes. hes an impact player when he plays like that...even if its not always for the good.
hes playing passive...neutered. it happens with him all the time. he gets in this cycle.
starts playing hard...crashes the net, makes hits...takes a major penalty. gets passive, is scared to hit/crash the net, gets yelled at/benched. starts playing hard...crashed the net...and so on
he just needs to play hard and we need to accept the bad penalties he takes. hes an impact player when he plays like that...even if its not always for the good.
I totally agree, they need 2-3 guys like that to replace the Etem/Stalberg/Glass minutes.
Thankfully those are 4th line or bottom 6 roles.
I'd love to add a Riley Nash, Trevor Lewis, or a Shawn Mathias type of player.
Hell even a Jaime McGinn or Chris Stewart for a 3 month run while they try and grab another NHL contract.
Leetch66
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LMAO..if he indeed is a robot...he certainly needs some new programming or a good grease gun .
Vinny DeAngelo
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I just want him to show any sign of life... Get in a fight, skate fast, hit someone....
All he's useful for now is screening to the side of the goalie and going off side
All he's useful for now is screening to the side of the goalie and going off side
silverfish
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I was defending him a bit earlier in the season because it at least looked like he was giving a great effort out there, and even creating a bit.
I know he's been away from Stepan for a while, and there's really no one on his line to create for him... but at this point, he needs to learn how to harness his size, speed, and power to create his own.
It's like if the other team takes away the streak up the left wing for the breakaway that only like, Stepan, Zuccarello, and Brassard can spring Kreider for, then he's got nothing. That's not the way one of the more imposing forces in the NHL should be playing.
I know he's been away from Stepan for a while, and there's really no one on his line to create for him... but at this point, he needs to learn how to harness his size, speed, and power to create his own.
It's like if the other team takes away the streak up the left wing for the breakaway that only like, Stepan, Zuccarello, and Brassard can spring Kreider for, then he's got nothing. That's not the way one of the more imposing forces in the NHL should be playing.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
I was saying this earlier in the season. Teams know to back off and he doesn't speed past anyone anymore killing all of his offensive ability
Edit: this is similar to when ovechkin had a bad year or two. Every defensemen knew he would skate in that cut to the slot above the circle and shoot. The defense adjusted and shut him down
failure
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Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
That's the difference between a generational talent and a average second liner.
Ovi scores more then 1 way. Kreider has the breakaways and that's it. He couldn't screen a goalie if the goalie never moved
haveandare
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He's still skating too fast most of the time. Going max speed all the time is not the best strategy IMO. There was a point, I think it was last year, when his play turned a corner and he explicitly stated that it was because he stopped going full speed every second of every shift. Use the extra speed now and then to change it up and burn a d man. He put on a clinic in that regard against MTL that series, burned Emelin and Subban repeatedly.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
that's 2 years ago... And he's coasted ever since then.. this year is even worse than before.
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