That's still besides the point. Why are his PIM counted as a positive and used to restrict people that have similar productivity? Not like he's some fighter or something.
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That's still besides the point. Why are his PIM counted as a positive and used to restrict people that have similar productivity? Not like he's some fighter or something.
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Penalty minutes have long been a yardstick for power forwards. Look up players like Gary Roberts, Rick Tocchet and Kevin Stevens in his prime.
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Mark Messier?
Adam Graves?
Eric Lindros?
Pat Verbeek?
Theo Fleury?
Jeff Beukeboom?
Some of these guys would get almost 220 PIM in a single season. None noted as fighters.
Pretty good sample of guys who were pretty amazing Rangers. Kreider is a saint compared to a lot of guys who played the sport; which I feel is necessary to state, existed before fancy stats.
Adam Graves?
Eric Lindros?
Pat Verbeek?
Theo Fleury?
Jeff Beukeboom?
Some of these guys would get almost 220 PIM in a single season. None noted as fighters.
Pretty good sample of guys who were pretty amazing Rangers. Kreider is a saint compared to a lot of guys who played the sport; which I feel is necessary to state, existed before fancy stats.
That would make a difference to me if every time Kreider got a major he didn't disappear for 20 games because he was afraid to play too tough. Also, this is a different game than back then. I can't see how those PIMs are relevant.
I'm not blaming him for the penalties. I think it's silly to throw that stat in and therefore the guy can say only 4 people had this productivity, while really there are probably way more people that have the productive stats they just didn't put their team shorthanded as much.
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It's not silly. It is important and helps the reader envision the type of player being described. It is exactly the information that you need to see "oh, I understand who Kreider is and where he slots in". He can take 220 PIM over three seasons and his coach will still send him out there and he will produce.
If bad stats count because it shows that the coach will still put him out there they should have included giveaways or something and restricted the pool some more.
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I see where you're coming from as i've had a similar thought while playing fantasy hockey. I think it is interesting to see PIMs for a couple of reasons, one to get a feel for "reputation" and maybe also to judge their production and see why it's the way ti is. It would be interesting to see how many turnovers a player might have while posting 60 goals and 120 points in 3 seasons...maybe not interesting but you get the point
I see where you're coming from as i've had a similar thought while playing fantasy hockey. I think it is interesting to see PIMs for a couple of reasons, one to get a feel for "reputation" and maybe also to judge their production and see why it's the way ti is. It would be interesting to see how many turnovers a player might have while posting 60 goals and 120 points in 3 seasons...maybe not interesting but you get the point
Maybe it would be interesting but it would only useful if we use it as a "lower is better" stat, unlike PIMs here are used.
But he is a physical player. Historically, those types of players commit more penalties and are typically not Lady Byng finalists.
I'm not criticizing him for the PIMs. All I'm saying is that it's a stat that unnecessarily restricts the pool of players that have the productivity he has.
It's like saying there there are only 4 people that are worth 10 million dollars and also have 5 bankruptcies like XYZ in trying to prove what a great businessman XYZ is. There are more than 4 people that have 10 million dollars and using bankruptcies as a positive restricts the people that have more than 10 million dollars artificially.
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I like to mention Kreider last season compare to this season. I doubt that Kreider will keep it up to hit 60 pts in the end of this season, but I dont expect that from him at all.
About Kreider though - he looks like Yaromir Jagr in his youth, hehe. And I believe he his happy with his last contract - so he approached this NHL season differently for sure which is positive. I really looking forwward to see more of Kreider soon (hype level!!).
About trade in general - Kreider is untouchable at the moment concerning a new piece like Trouba, and I know Kreider has been mentioned earlier. But what is essential here we need some guys with Glass like abilities I never thought I would mention that, lol. But yes, physics and grit the whole package, toughness and Kreider have that and he usually win puck battles near the boards.
We`ve too many soft players on this team like Nash.
Well I`m not asking the GM & Sather to copy LA Kings, but it`s important in hockey with some grit and physical attributes.
About Kreider though - he looks like Yaromir Jagr in his youth, hehe. And I believe he his happy with his last contract - so he approached this NHL season differently for sure which is positive. I really looking forwward to see more of Kreider soon (hype level!!).
About trade in general - Kreider is untouchable at the moment concerning a new piece like Trouba, and I know Kreider has been mentioned earlier. But what is essential here we need some guys with Glass like abilities I never thought I would mention that, lol. But yes, physics and grit the whole package, toughness and Kreider have that and he usually win puck battles near the boards.
We`ve too many soft players on this team like Nash.
Well I`m not asking the GM & Sather to copy LA Kings, but it`s important in hockey with some grit and physical attributes.
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He supposedly skated on his own yesterday and looked good. More news today at practice.
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thx, he has been unreal the 5 games he has played. Cant wait for the KZB line to be back. Looked like him and Zib specially had great chemistry on the ice!
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Maybe the injury is still lingering, but Kreider is back in the habit of disappearing again. It boggles the mind how a guy with his tools can go unnoticed for such stretches. He looked like his was shot out of a cannon to start the season, skating hard and making an impact every shift. Now? Not so much. The good Kreider will be back but can he finally stay consistent?
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I believe theres something amiss here. You arent dominant like he was for 2 weeks, get injured for 5 games and then come back without missing a step. Somethings wrong. Has to be, because he "got it" over the off season.
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