Rumor: Chris Johnston: Some believe Toronto is the front runner for Ben Chiarot.

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I'd rather see them go after Edmundson.
He's been hurt all season and has 1 more year left after this. He was also called the worst player in the league by people who use advanced stats.


Dom Luszczyszyn in the Athletic today on Chariott

. Just before the Toffoli trade was officially announced, rumours swirled about Calgary’s interest in Ben Chiarotas well, a heavy and rugged defender expected to command at least a first-round pick at the deadline. While it’s possible Chiarot does better outside of Montreal, it’s hard to fathom considering he’s been a massive part of the problem this season. Without Shea Weber’s help, Chiarot’s game has crumbled with a putrid 41.6 percent expected goals rate and an even uglier 31.6 percent of the actual goals. On a terrible team, both are somehow below the team average. For teams hoping for his ‘defensive’ prowess, no Canadiens defender gives up more chances against than Chiarot’s 3.08 expected goals against per 60.
On top of that Chiarot is a major risk at putting his team on the penalty kill due to his lack of foot speed and this season has a penalty differential of minus-14. On a per-60 basis, only three defenders have a worse rate over the last three seasons than Chiarot.
He’s not the answer, and in all likelihood will likely be a landmine other teams should try to avoid at all costs at the deadline — not spent assets for. Chiarot is currently projected to be an incredible detriment to any team that acquires him, worth minus-0.9 wins. That’s the fifth-lowest mark in the league and is driven by already being worth minus-1.2 wins this season in just 44 games. Only Keith Yandle has been worse.
There have been comparisons made to Tampa Bay’s acquisition of David Savard last season as the blueprint for a Chiarot deal. Aside from that also being a wild overpayment, Savard at least had a stronger resume to fall back on despite also having a rough season prior. That kept his projected value afloat. Chiarot’s resume looks buoyed by one solid year in 2019-20 where he was stapled to a star defender. That’s not worth paying premium assets for.

Savard has actually been worse in Montreal than Chiarot at any point.

However, never mind Weber being gone, throw into considertion that Edmondson was also gone, so there was just Chiarot and Petry to be the main, go to pairing, but that isnt mentioned. Petry has been abysmal this year, but that isnt mentioned. Having a goalie like Price behind you, is always going to make you look a bit better than you. Allen did play well, but ultimately hes no Price. Thar isnt mentioned there. When the whole team sucks, your warts and flaws are going to be ever more present.

lastly, dont forget that these people who rely on advanced stats for everything and likely cant even hold a stick properly said Chiarot was basically carried by Byfuglien in Winnipeg and that his contract was bad and he was overpaid, even at 3.5 and the 3 years might be too long. Guy has played well for the Habs and improved in the playoffs.

Another advanced stats "expert" says Chiarot takes too many penalties in the playoffs. A bunch of better and worse players took more this past playoff, but i guess when youre trying to make a weak point you gotta grasp at whatever flimsy straw you can.

It seems to be this makes plenty of sense. Leafs know they need a tougher, deeper defense.
I expect he won't fetch a 1st outright, but maybe 2 2nds. I'd try and get a 2nd rounder in 2024 to fill that "slot" since we gave up ours for Dvorak, and I'd also try to get a conditional 1st if the Leafs make the finals - it's almost a 2nd rounder at that point, and it takes the sting away from helping rivals win.

If not Chiarot, maybe the Leafs take Kulak as a plan B for added defensive depth. Kulak isn't fetching more than a 3d, though.

Kulak can be a solid bottom pairing dman. I must emphasize can be. If he's confident he looks like he could be a serviceable top 4.
 

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The fact is hugues asking a 1st and a 3rd or something similar. If chiarot still in MTL, its because hugues didnt get the offer he want.

Maybe toronto is front runner but but his offer they made is something like a 2nd and kokkonen... so just wait and see...
 

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Good Ontario boy, likely his lifelong dream to play for the Buds

Habs retain 50% and take back Ritchie as a Cap Dump (can maybe pump his tires and get something for him next years TDL)

Topi Niemela + 2024 2nd goes to Montreal
I'm pretty much assuming Chiarot and Kulak are 50% retained in any deal. Ritchie though would take away a lot of the cap room we saved by moving Toffoli, so I'm not sure Habs are getting value for that cap space in this deal
 

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Please Dubas, make it happen and then announce the re-signing of 4 years shortly after
 

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Imo hes a player that will look better on a new team. Could be the smartest add at the deadline, especially at 50% retention
 

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LOL.. nice job photoshopping Chiarot, onto Auston Matthews Card.

Here is Chiarot's card

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leafs making a bad trade and losing in first round is all I got left, now that the ducks are trending back to where they belong
 

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Holy shit... Topi Niemela isn't being traded for f***ing Ben Chiarot.

LOL I wanted to post this. Like yeah he'd be a nice add, but get real :laugh: "Give us an elite prospect + for a 2nd/3rd pairing D-man for one playoff run ! " Asking price needs to be realistic, people are acting like he's a Ryan McDonagh/Jeff Carter type of deadline acquisition. He's not getting that much, serviceable but be realistic.
 
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pth2

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LOL I wanted to post this. Like yeah he'd be a nice add, but get real :laugh: "Give us an elite prospect + for a 2nd/3rd pairing D-man for one playoff run ! " Asking price needs to be realistic, people are acting like he's a Ryan McDonagh/Jeff Carter type of deadline acquisition. He's not getting that much, serviceable but be realistic.
The poster who suggested that was also throwing in a 2.5M salary dump, though. Cap room, in a flat cap, is worth a lot.
 

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LOL I wanted to post this. Like yeah he'd be a nice add, but get real :laugh: "Give us an elite prospect + for a 2nd/3rd pairing D-man for one playoff run ! " Asking price needs to be realistic, people are acting like he's a Ryan McDonagh/Jeff Carter type of deadline acquisition. He's not getting that much, serviceable but be realistic.

Exactly... now I'm seeing Knies name thrown around lol. Hard to read that stuff.
 

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"Some believe" ???

"Some believe" Elvis is still alive.
"Some believe" in ancient astronauts.
"Some believe" in Batboy and Bigfoot.

This is meaningless.
 

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When was the last time a player everyone knew was going to get traded, but every fan base collectively was wishing it wasn’t their team getting him?
And yet when a team gets him they will be bragging about how happy they got him and how he'll greatly help their run and fans of other teams will mostly agree. Funny how that happens.
 
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If, hockey gods forbid, Chiarot ends up as a Leaf I will cheer for him. But I am very much praying to those hockey gods that Dubas is not pursuing Chiarot if the price is anywhere near a 1st rounder.

Counterpoint. Please let this happen.
 

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