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I understand, makes sense. I'm not really on the same page as you as far as the top players not putting in the effort, at least on the ice. I didn't have a problem with G and P's effort in the playoffs. To be honest, I don't really want my uniquely skilled stars flying around the ice like Cogliano...I want them using their heads and instincts and making plays that only they can create. When those plays don't produce results, yeah it's going to look like they're not trying as hard as a Wagner, but I don't have such a huge issue with that. I might be wrong, but that's my feeling on it.

I don't feel a NHL coach's job is to motivate as much as it is to manage ice time, implement strategies and make strategy adjustments. The strategy adjustments in the playoffs is one area where I feel a new coach might be able improve over the past few seasons.

I don't think anybody is asking them to. IMO, they try hard when they are on the ice. But when you are competing against world class athletes, every little thing counts. When you've never worked hard at taking care of yourself and you start aging, it doesn't take much for someone to outplay you or cause you to not quite make the plays you used to make. It isn't lack of effort at the moment, it's lack of effort in being prepared for the moment. That's my take.
 
I don't think anybody is asking them to. IMO, they try hard when they are on the ice. But when you are competing against world class athletes, every little thing counts. When you've never worked hard at taking care of yourself and you start aging, it doesn't take much for someone to outplay you or cause you to not quite make the plays you used to make. It isn't lack of effort at the moment, it's lack of effort in being prepared for the moment. That's my take.

I accept that for sure.. I don't know anything about their off-season, off-ice preparation so I hesitate to pass judgement, but there's been enough whispers and thinly veiled attacks to suggest there might be an issue there, so I'd tend to agree.
 
Is there anything positive within this organisation for you? Why does Hartley suck?

let me see, they just choked a 3-2 series lead and lost game 7 at home for the 4th year in a row and fired a great coach because most of the team melts under pressure. so no, at this point in time there is nothing positive within the ducks organization

ask flames fans about hartley. i've also heard the players were pretty unhappy under hartley, especially his system. nothing stands out about him as a head coach. there aren't any great options out there but i can think of some names better than hartley
 
let me see, they just choked a 3-2 series lead and lost game 7 at home for the 4th year in a row and fired a great coach because most of the team melts under pressure. so no, at this point in time there is nothing positive within the ducks organization

ask flames fans about hartley. i've also heard the players were pretty unhappy under hartley, especially his system. nothing stands out about him as a head coach. there aren't any great options out there but i can think of some names better than hartley

I feel like Hartley is in the same game-has-passed-him-by boat as Carlyle.
 
it's too bad ralph krueger is chairman of some english soccer team now

i think he'd be someone who could make a difference with this team. he's worked with the twins before with team canada and was easily the best coach the oilers have had since they started to suck. he got a ton out of an extremely crappy roster that one season he was their HC
 
id love in this order

1. kevin dineen (used to coach the pirates in 05 so has experience with getz and perry, has gone on to be an assistant coach under coach Q and won a cup last year)
2. bob hartley (good hockey guy and has won a cup)
3. john stevens (was with the kings for the past 6 seasons)
4. mike keenan (could supply that swift kick to the rear for our stars)
5. guy boucher (sports psyche guy, love for him to break through out game 6 and 7 mental blocks)
6. marc crawford( post season success)
7. pierre mcguire (jk)
 
I'm all for hiring a non-players coach, but Mike Keenan would be a disaster imo. He is just flat out mean

Sutter would be awesome if the Kings can't work out a deal with him
 
Here's a very informative coach about Travis Green. It was posted by WTG, a moderator for HFCanucks (I believe), in the HFFlames Hartley discussion thread. I bolded the paragraph I find particularly interesting.

Since you guys are discussing which potential coaches replace Hartley I'll give my 2 cents about Travis Green.

I've watched the Comets for 2 full seasons now and I really like coach Green. But not coach comes without their flaws. I'll start off talking about how I really dislike his conservatism when it comes to playing young players. Green can be very stubborn about inserting young players into a young lineup. Last year, right before the playoffs he was given Virtanen, McCann and Hutton. Hutton only played a few games and was sat out for most of the playoffs. Virtanen only managed to play when there was an injury. McCann didn't play at all. This was my huge gripe with Travis Green, I thought all 3 of these players deserved at least a good chance of playing on the team regularly. I said so at the time, now that all 3 of those players played in the NHL I feel very justified in saying that Travis Green was wrong here.

I don't blame him for messing up or even see it as a huge negative. Travis Green is very much a new comer to being a head coach. It makes sense that he's a bit conservative and plays by the books.



For his systems, I must admit I do not know much about systems so I'll try my best to describe the way Green's teams play. Green loves to start the offense from the defense. Much like Hartley, however, he doesn't rely on gimmicky stretch passes like Hartley does. Rather he relies on puck possession and getting the D involved into the play. This kind of system works well with very mobile defensemen that can join in on the rush or carry the puck up the ice. In the offensive zone he likes his forwards very much behind the goal line grinding it out and passing the puck back to the point stretching out the defense.

Green allows his grinders to grind and his skill players to play a skill game. He's a very versatile coach. You can see this by just looking at the end of the season roster that Utica had. The team had 2 regular defensemen and one of them was a rookie (Subban). The rest were all PTO's, but somehow he managed to turn that team into a playoff team. Unfortunately he didn't manage to win in the playoffs primary because someone decided to trade away his best player (I'm still salty about Shinkaruk). But anyway, overall I'd say he's a good coach but also a very young coach. If you hire him you will have growing pains. But if you stick with him long term you won't regret it. Green's also a very good possession coach.

Sorry if this is a incomprehensible mess of a post. I am ESL #excusesforpoorenglish.
 
let me see, they just choked a 3-2 series lead and lost game 7 at home for the 4th year in a row and fired a great coach because most of the team melts under pressure. so no, at this point in time there is nothing positive within the ducks organization

ask flames fans about hartley. i've also heard the players were pretty unhappy under hartley, especially his system. nothing stands out about him as a head coach. there aren't any great options out there but i can think of some names better than hartley

Does he even have a system? Flames under him were nothing but run-n-gun. No structure, at all just scrambly wierd defense and stretch passes. He never seemed to adjust, even when it was patently obvious that it wasn't working.

Ive seen a lot of speculation that he's not a big believer in systems that focus on puck possession and that refusal to do so was why Treliving cut him loose. If true, makes him seem like a bad fit for this group.
 
Here's a very informative coach about Travis Green. It was posted by WTG, a moderator for HFCanucks (I believe), in the HFFlames Hartley discussion thread. I bolded the paragraph I find particularly interesting.

Sounds sweet on paper
 
it's too bad ralph krueger is chairman of some english soccer team now

i think he'd be someone who could make a difference with this team. he's worked with the twins before with team canada and was easily the best coach the oilers have had since they started to suck. he got a ton out of an extremely crappy roster that one season he was their HC
I think Krueger is a great coach, but he's a better fit with underdog teams (The Oilers and the Swiss NT are great examples for that). He starts to truly shine when his systems have to disrupt the other teams' game plan while being opportunistic on the offensive end.

Not sure how he fares when his team is the one that's supposed to dictate the pace of the game.
Here's a very informative coach about Travis Green. It was posted by WTG, a moderator for HFCanucks (I believe), in the HFFlames Hartley discussion thread. I bolded the paragraph I find particularly interesting.

That actually sounds really good. Also something I could see work out with this roster. We have a very mobile D with an abundance of talented puck carriers and many of our forwards are at least usable on the cycle and along the boards if they can get arsed to it. From what I've heard he's also great with young guys, so one Theodore/Montour/Larsson should find some playing time with him.

I like it.

Wouldn't be mad if we ended up with him or walrus.
 
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Michael Russo (Minny's beat writer, Star Tribune) wrote this in his blog:

5/3/16 said:
But from everything I've been hearing before the Hartley news came down, Boudreau, Carlyle and Torchetti are the guys Fletcher is really focusing on. Fletcher does have interest in Anaheim assistant coach Paul MacLean, but from what I heard as of yesterday, it didn't sound like the Ducks granted Fletcher permission to talk with MacLean yet.

So Bob's basically telling Fletcher to **** off, as far as talking to the Paulrus is concerned. Don't know what this means in the HC searching palooza, but it seems that whatever happens and whoever becomes the HC, MacLean is here to stay in some capacity.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet that unless a VERY renowned coach enters the "market", MacLean will be the next HC.
 
Random thought:

What if BB doesn't leave the Ducks, but starts to work as an assistant of walrus?

I mean, they didn't fire him, correct?
 
Random thought:

What if BB doesn't leave the Ducks, but starts to work as an assistant to walrus?

I mean, they didn't fire him.

Russo wrote in his blog (see my previous post) that Bruce wants his own bench somewhere, he isn't planning on sticking around. Minny, Calgary and Ottawa are apparently all talking to him at this point, so Bob's letting him leave, assuming Russo is correct.
 
Russo wrote in his blog (see my previous post) that Bruce wants his own bench somewhere, he isn't planning on sticking around. Minny, Calgary and Ottawa are apparently all talking to him at this point, so Bob's letting him leave. Bob has given permission for other teams to speak with Bruce, assuming Russo is correct.

Too bad, but to be expected.
 
It doesn't sound like Murray is going for an inexperienced guy. I'd love to see Sutter/Julien get a crack with this core. Some of the players on our team (Fowler,Getzlaf, Perry mostly) need a hard ass no nonsense guy behind the bench not someone who's going to pay them on the back
 
There are two scenarios to this...

The most probable is to find a coach who will give the current roster team (+/- minor tweaks) the best shot at a cup regardless of whether or not the players like him and regardless if he wear out his welcome in 3 years as by them the window will be closed.

The less probable is to find a coach who has the potential to become an elite coach; i.e., a Babcock or Quenneville, but doesn't have the credentials or experience now.

I will say that for as much as Daryle Sutter is revered, there were a ton of Kings fans that wanted him gone for how he misused his players in the this year's playoffs.

When it comes to head coaches and fans, if you don't win... the cup (pun intended) is never half-full, it may not even be half-empty... more like it is was never your cup.

John
 
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