CHL working on a deal with the NCAA, any truth?

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Maybe it’s something along the lines of they’re looking into a partnership where these players can use their education packages in the NCAA now, instead of just Canada?

This would be good...as would players that haven't been drafted being able to play College in the US from CHL

 

[FourQuarters]

This would kill the CHL. The top end players would want to play at the highest level available to them. The 18 year old 1st rounders go to college all day over playing in the CHL vs significantly inferior competition

I don't think this is for top prospects. It's about U-Sports/NCAA. CHL could keep the players until their OA season, just like their agreement with AHL.

 

[bigdog16]

Their contracts...

Even if a player ignored that and risked repercussions, the CHL is part of the international hockey system and there would be consequences for the player (and likely the NCAA team that took the player) if they enrolled a player who was still under contract by their CHL team.

The NHL has a detailed transfer agreement with the CHL. I'm pretty sure the CHL also has transfer agreements with the European leagues they select from in the import draft. None of them, nor the IIHF, would look kindly on the NCAA for poaching players with contracts.

Where did I underestimate the NCAA? You're the one getting into it about the supposed qualities of two programs and (inaccurately) asserting that the CHL is a league of 16 and 17 year olds. Not sure why you're bringing up who would win would anyways. The Usports All Stars not infrequently defeat the Canadian World Junior team and likely would also defeat top NCAA programs occasionally as well if they played on a regular basis. They are different levels of competition, one route is not better than the other for all players in all situations.

So how do you explain players who have played both CHL and NCAA?

 

[Hockeyville USA]

So how do you explain players who have played both CHL and NCAA?

CHLers who have played in the NCAA always go NCAA first and then leave and go to major junior which is legal. Once you go major junior, you can't go from the CHL to the NCAA unless there's a clerical error made by the NCAA Clearinghouse (Austen Swankler's case for example)

 

[Bjindaho]

CHLers who have played in the NCAA always go NCAA first and then leave and go to major junior which is legal. Once you go major junior, you can't go from the CHL to the NCAA unless there's a clerical error made by the NCAA Clearinghouse (Austen Swankler's case for example)

or a strange exception

 

[bigdog16]

CHLers who have played in the NCAA always go NCAA first and then leave and go to major junior which is legal. Once you go major junior, you can't go from the CHL to the NCAA unless there's a clerical error made by the NCAA Clearinghouse (Austen Swankler's case for example)

Yes but you aren't understanding my point. The claim is that there is a contract that keeps CHL bound to the CHL. This cannot be true given Swankler's case. He left the CHL and went to the NCAA.

I understand the restrictions the NCAA has against CHL players.

 

[landy92mack29]

Teams can release players from the contract and for him to somehow get NCAA eligibility back that would have to be the case

 

[4thline]

Tell me why top end prospects would want to stay in the CHL as 18 and 19 year olds to feast on 16 and 17 year olds instead of playing against significantly better competition in the NCAA?

Signing bonuses, access to NHL resources, attending NHL training camp,dedicating zero time to the lip service of getting a degree/maintaining academic eligibility, more games

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Yes but you aren't understanding my point. The claim is that there is a contract that keeps CHL bound to the CHL. This cannot be true given Swankler's case. He left the CHL and went to the NCAA.

I understand the restrictions the NCAA has against CHL players.

There is a rule by the NCAA that once you play in the CHL, you lose NCAA eligibility (unless rare cases like Swankler's where the Clearinghouse cleared him without checking which league he played in LMFAO). That case is an exception, not a rule

 

[bigdog16]

Signing bonuses, access to NHL resources, attending NHL training camp,dedicating zero time to the lip service of getting a degree/maintaining academic eligibility, more games

I get it there are pros and cons to each route.

There is a rule by the NCAA that once you play in the CHL, you lose NCAA eligibility (unless rare cases like Swankler's where the Clearinghouse cleared him without checking which league he played in LMFAO). That case is an exception, not a rule

That isn't the argument at hand. I know the NCAA's rules against CHL players. I am unaware of an agreement between player and CHL club that forbids the CHL player from playing NCAA.

 

[landy92mack29]

Signing bonuses, access to NHL resources, attending NHL training camp,dedicating zero time to the lip service of getting a degree/maintaining academic eligibility, more games

yup plus playing against better talent and experiencing real playoffs

 

[WarriorofTime]

What would a 'deal' even entail? CHL players don't move on to play in us college because of an ncaa rule. If the ncaa changes their rules about whether the CHL is a professional league or not, the CHL has not much say in that.

Players agree to not receive a stipend and don’t sign a pro deal to maintain ncaa eligibility.

 

[Corso]

I get it there are pros and cons to each route.


That isn't the argument at hand. I know the NCAA's rules against CHL players. I am unaware of an agreement between player and CHL club that forbids the CHL player from playing NCAA.

Standard contract that each CHL player signs forbids them from playing in any other league unless they clear waivers. Swankler was twenty years of age when he went to the NCAA and that is allowed under contract.

Players agree to not receive a stipend and don’t sign a pro deal to maintain ncaa eligibility.

From my understanding, the stipend has little to do with it. The main sticking point was the signed NHL players in the CHL.

 

[WarriorofTime]

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From my understanding, the stipend has little to do with it. The main sticking point was the signed NHL players in the CHL.

Not many players have nhl deals. But all are not eligible for ncaa.

 

[bigdog16]

yup plus playing against better talent and experiencing real playoffs

Don't want to beat a dead horse but the NCAA is significantly better competition than the CHL

 

[landy92mack29]

Don't want to beat a dead horse but the NCAA is significantly better competition than the CHL

it's not

 

[bigdog16]

it's not

Better prospects play in the CHL, but overall hockey wise it isn't even a discussion. The age and strength of college hockey is simply too much greater. NCAA D3 teams would wipe the floor with CHL teams. I'm telling you, its not close

 

[landy92mack29]

Better prospects play in the CHL, but overall hockey wise it isn't even a discussion. The age and strength of college hockey is simply too much greater. NCAA D3 teams would wipe the floor with CHL teams. I'm telling you, its not close

whatever helps you sleep at night. My cousin wanted to play in the whl but couldn't make it until he was 19 so went NCAA D1 to Maine instead. There's players who aren't anything special in the SJHL who go play D3. Outside of the top schools the rest wouldn't contend with the CHL.

The OAs in the CHL would have their choice of which school they wanted to go to because every school would be after them

 

[bigdog16]

whatever helps you sleep at night. My cousin wanted to play in the whl but couldn't make it until he was 19 so went NCAA D1 to Maine instead. There's players who aren't anything special in the SJHL who go play D3. Outside of the top schools the rest wouldn't contend with the CHL.

The OAs in the CHL would have their choice of which school they wanted to go to because every school would be after them

Your looking at it from a pure advancement view. Those SJHL players go D3 and are 4th liners/healthy scratches their first couple years. The CHL OAs 1) wouldn't have their choice of schools and 2) wouldn't be top 6 players as freshmen/sophomores

 

[Corso]

Better prospects play in the CHL, but overall hockey wise it isn't even a discussion. The age and strength of college hockey is simply too much greater. NCAA D3 teams would wipe the floor with CHL teams. I'm telling you, its not close

Hopefully the upcoming changes to the eligibility rules put these silly debates to bed.

You are correct, talent wise the CHL still has a slight edge but you really can't ask teams comprised of players between the ages of 16-20 to go up against teams that are top heavy with 22–24-year-olds. Age and strength development is significant between the ages of 19 through 22. Again....a very silly argument/comparison since, as the old saying goes, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Your looking at it from a pure advancement view. Those SJHL players go D3 and are 4th liners/healthy scratches their first couple years. The CHL OAs 1) wouldn't have their choice of schools and 2) wouldn't be top 6 players as freshmen/sophomores

Unlikely they would be top players on the best programs but I'm sure many of them can step into top roles in the mid to lower tier programs.

 

[4thline]

Your looking at it from a pure advancement view. Those SJHL players go D3 and are 4th liners/healthy scratches their first couple years. The CHL OAs 1) wouldn't have their choice of schools and 2) wouldn't be top 6 players as freshmen/sophomores

A quick check shows that a lot of Canadian U22 superfreshman that are producing around point per game, most with no meaningful drop off from their junior a production

 

[Jared Dunn]

That mirrors my thinking. If the NCAA wants to add CHL players they can tweak their amateur eligibility rules to accept them. Doesn‘t require any partnership or agreement with the CHL.

I wonder if the agreement part would be an age limit. Like no younger than turning 20 that season for eligibility

This would hurt U-Sports more than any other league imo! Would be amazing for the post hockey careers of CHL players

I think the USHL would take a hit too. You could argue CHL is closer to that level than NCAA at this point, but I think this would basically stop high end Canadians like Fantilli and Power choosing USHL over CHL

 

[WarriorofTime]

whatever helps you sleep at night. My cousin wanted to play in the whl but couldn't make it until he was 19 so went NCAA D1 to Maine instead. There's players who aren't anything special in the SJHL who go play D3. Outside of the top schools the rest wouldn't contend with the CHL.

The OAs in the CHL would have their choice of which school they wanted to go to because every school would be after them

Top NCAA teams would blow every CHL teams out of the water. Like 4 game sweep, every game by 4+ Margin level of victory. It would be ugly. Sorry that facts don’t agree with your feelings.

 

[oldunclehue]

Top NCAA teams would blow every CHL teams out of the water. Like 4 game sweep, every game by 4+ Margin level of victory. It would be ugly. Sorry that facts don’t agree with your feelings.

I disagree, top end NCAA teams have lost to U-Sports teams or had very close games with them. Top teams would be good competition for NCAA teams.

This change is good and bad.....good in a sense is it will mean more Canadian players will end up in NCAA.

Bad is it will cause many leagues under CHL to fold, contract or combine and try to make better Junior A leagues. Scouts will have little to no reason to go watch MJHL, SJHL, AJHL or BCHL if the top end talent wanting NCAA are all now in the CHL.

Also this may screw over the BCHL players now (Hockey Canada will love this). From the current rules, if you sign with a BCHL team and play past a certain date, you are ineligible to play in any Hockey Canada sanctioned leagues etc.

So now top end WHL players get scholarships, BCHL gets less, AJHL, SJHL and MJHL will get none and thus whats the point in playing junior A if the path simply leads to after 20 year old year moving on in life. No one will want to pay thousands to play in leagues that don't have chances at NCAA.

 

[Breakers]

The OAs in the CHL would have their choice of which school they wanted to go to because every school would be after them

No they wouldn’t
Not even close