CHL to NCAA Commits

[hockeyinsiderusports]

I mean sure you can have your scholarship pulled and the CHL education package once you go CIS isn’t going to be pulled but from a playing perspective we have guys all over Canada not playing when I’m sure they think they should be . UNB is obviously an extreme example with the talent coming in but it’s what I know best …I’m pretty confident guys like Peter Trainor , Geordie Wudrick ,Justin Nolet , Pat Kyte etc never would have saw themselves being healthy scratches when they arrived .

Each those players had other motivates why they ended up at UNB. Or then left afterwards

Sorry, mate, but that's completely wrong.

The NCAA has approved an increase to 26 Full Scholarships for each Div I hockey starting next season. 26.

Quick math tells you that each team will need 6.5 new recruits per season just to fill all 26 sports. 64 Teams x 6.5 Scholarships = 416 new Scholarships each season. And that's not factoring in players who turn Pro before graduation OR players who leave college hockey for other reasons.

There are only 60 CHL Teams. Each of those is not capable of producing 6.5 players per season to fill NCAA Div I Scholarships. So, the majority of NCAA Div I scholarships will still be given to Jr A players (including USHL / NAHL).

If you're coming out of the CHL, you're coming out of the top Junior league in the world, and you're going to slot in well ahead of Jr A players.

What is infinitely more likely than coaches not renewing a Scholarship is a player who returns home for personal reasons, financial reasons, or because they have fallen down the depth chart. But the idea that a lot of kids scholarships won't get renewed each year is fanciful thinking, sorry.

But the idea that a lot of kids scholarships won't get renewed each year is fanciful thinking, sorry. “. - been there saw that , been part of that - more than meets eyes with ncaa.

 

[AUC Regular]

New name.
Josh Mori -D - Edmonton Oil Kings- (WHL) - UMass-Lowell

A couple we missed last week.
Marshall Finnie-F- Edmonton Oil Kings- (WHL) - Niagara
PJ Forgione-D- Saginaw Spirit- (OHL) - Vermont

 

[AUS Fan]

New name.
Josh Mori -D - Edmonton Oil Kings- (WHL) - UMass-Lowell

A couple we missed last week.
Marshall Finnie-F- Edmonton Oil Kings- (WHL) - Niagara
PJ Forgione-D- Saginaw Spirit- (OHL) - Vermont

Both of my "regular" sites for NCAA commits don't have these guys, but Elite Prospects does.

For those keeping score at home, I count 45 commits so far.

 

[MiamiHockeyII]

Each those players had other motivates why they ended up at UNB. Or then left afterwards



But the idea that a lot of kids scholarships won't get renewed each year is fanciful thinking, sorry. “. - been there saw that , been part of that - more than meets eyes with ncaa.

Nobody dislikes the NCAA more than me, and I've never bought into their holier-than-thou self-appraisal. Don't get me started on the BS coming from Army.

I have no doubt that what you suggest has happened in the past, but that was mainly because there were only 18 Full-Scholarship equivalents available to coaches. Coaches could not fund their entire roster, and had to make choices each year.

Even if a team chooses to not use all 26 Full Scholarship equivalents, the increase to 26 means that you can ice a full roster without having to make annual choices between which depth players you fund. Perhaps a few guys will underachieve and have their scholarships pulled, but it won't be a lot. And the guys coming from the CHL will be the best players, and thus the least likely to experience that.

 

[AUS Fan]

Nolan Collins, Flint Firebirds to Penn State
Niall Crocker, PA Raiders to Ohio State
Kocha Delic, Sudbury to Miami University

48 commits and counting.

 

[dm8895]

Nolan Collins, Flint Firebirds to Penn State
Niall Crocker, PA Raiders to Ohio State
Kocha Delic, Sudbury to Miami University

48 commits and counting.

Holy crap I thought it was at like half of that

 

[AUS Fan]

Holy crap I thought it was at like half of that

According to my spreadsheet. Getting close to 1/3 of the OA's

 

[dm8895]

According to my spreadsheet. Getting close to 1/3 of the OA's

Obviously no way to know but I’d love to see in an alternate reality what percentage of these guys would have gone CIS.

 

[AUS Fan]

Obviously no way to know but I’d love to see in an alternate reality what percentage of these guys would have gone CIS.

I would guess most. None of them are AHL materiel and almost anyone can play in the Coast.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

Looking at last season's CHL overagers...by my count there were 98 forwards and 61 defencemen.

Of those 98 forwards:
- at least 37 went pro
- 43 went U SPORTS (15 AUS, 14 CW, 14 OUA)
- 18 unknown
- out of the top 26 scorers (69+ points), only 7 went U SPORTS (Wong/Orr/Peer/Boutin/Burroughs/Pellerin/Pasternak)

Of the 61 defencemen:
- at least 16 went pro
- 25 went U SPORTS (9 AUS, 8 CW, 8 OUA)
- 20 unknown
- out of the top 13 scorers (41+ points), only 2 went U SPORTS (Lajoie/Truchon)

I would be curious to know how many of the players who commit to NCAA would have went pro instead? Further, I wonder how many still do end up going pro over the summer? Regardless, for the most part, the top overagers weren't coming to U SPORTS anyways...so to see these CHL guys who are on pace for 60+ points going the NCAA route, I'm not sure that it's a huge deal. It's the next tier of guys (35-60 point forwards, 20-40 point defencemen) that primarily went U SPORTS.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

According to my spreadsheet. Getting close to 1/3 of the OA's

There is probably a decent percentage of overagers every season who don't even consider the university route for whatever reason (not interested, planning on attending college/trade school, not a good student, etc)...or don’t intend on continuing their hockey career while at university…so the number of guys that NCAA and U SPORTS are actually competing for is probably quite a bit less than 180ish. For example, only 120 overage skaters (out of 159) went pro or U SPORTS last year. The talent pool of OA’s is much shallower than it might appear on the surface.

 

[dm8895]

Looking at last season's CHL overagers...by my count there were 98 forwards and 61 defencemen.

Of those 98 forwards:
- at least 37 went pro
- 43 went U SPORTS (15 AUS, 14 CW, 14 OUA)
- 18 unknown
- out of the top 26 scorers (69+ points), only 7 went U SPORTS (Wong/Orr/Peer/Boutin/Burroughs/Pellerin/Pasternak)

Of the 61 defencemen:
- at least 16 went pro
- 25 went U SPORTS (9 AUS, 8 CW, 8 OUA)
- 20 unknown
- out of the top 13 scorers (41+ points), only 2 went U SPORTS (Lajoie/Truchon)

I would be curious to know how many of the players who commit to NCAA would have went pro instead? Further, I wonder how many still do end up going pro over the summer? Regardless, for the most part, the top overagers weren't coming to U SPORTS anyways...so to see these CHL guys who are on pace for 60+ points going the NCAA route, I'm not sure that it's a huge deal. It's the next tier of guys (35-60 point forwards, 20-40 point defencemen) that primarily went U SPORTS.

Tip of the cap for any of you that get this info for us, be it stuff like this ,keeping track of NCAA recruits , or being my only quality source on the going ons of Canada West.
I don’t have the patience to try and track any of this without putting my head through the wall, so I appreciate all of you!!

 

[AUS Fan]

Mathew Ward, Medicine Hat Tigers to Northern Michigan University.

 

[AUS Fan]

Great job by UNB Bruins Fan on gathering the data from last year.

When you say Pro, I assume most of these guys went to the ECHL, probably because the hockey is "better" than CIS. Now, they have a chance to play "better" hockey, get a degree and perhaps a look by an AHL team after 2-3 years in NCAA.

I'm sure some guys will go ECHL because they don't want to or can't get in university but that number may be smaller than last year.

Out of 159 skaters 43% went to CIS - 44% of the forwards and 41% of D-men. I don't think we'll see a similar percentage next year because of guys going NCAA and top guys ECHL. If the numbers are similar it will be because the talent pool for CIS will get watered down a bit, but time will tell.

It'll be interesting to see if anyone decommits and goes ECHL.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

D - Benjamin Vigneault (Quebec, QMJHL) to Bemidji State

 

[bungdropper]

Kocha Delic (C, Sudbury) to Miami (Ohio, not Florida).

This little dude played for the Canadian U18 team a few years back and has had four solid years in junior (over a PPG in three of them), gotten plenty of invites to rookie camps. He's the kind of guy I would've loved to see head to UNB when he was done in junior, but, tbh, I figured he'd be more likely to turn pro than go to U Sports, which makes me think about how...

It'll be interesting to see if anyone decommits and goes ECHL.