Child Prodigy

[PRicci09]

I remember a tv special on Russian hockey a couple years back, and they feature a kid named Zhenya Kuznetsov who was tearing up his league at age 12.

Hockey nomad goes to Russia? that was Evgeny Kuznetsov of the Caps.

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Oliver Wahlstrom is apparently looking good so far for SSM. In 20 games he has 27 goals and 20 assists for 47 points. The only one ahead of him is TJ Walsh who apparently played with Jake Wise on his line last year. Only one point ahead however.

http://ssmhockey.org/2009-2010-boys-bantam-tier-i-stats/

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

We need a thread for all child protogies as there's going to be 100 next Gretzkys, Crosbys, Lemieuxs, etc. Once they get drafted to a junior team or commit somewhere I say then we can make a thread.

 

[hockeygeek]

I grew up playing with a "child prodigy". He ended up as a ppg player in major junior and never played higher than echl. It takes a lot of hard work to live up to those expectations.

 

[buttman*]

Jayce Hawryluk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7-gxXfK34

Kid is playing against house league players. Put him in a AAA league in the GTA and see how he does.

 

[buttman*]

Anyone know what happened to Dustin Rose?

Dustin the Wind

 

[Tarasenko]

Xavier Parent, anyone?
Saw the guy last year, he was ripping it off in PeeWee AAA.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=241379

 

[3 Minute Minor]

lol every time this thread gets bumped, people mention the same kids who were mentioned before.

What's a standard 1st liner's production in a league like that?

When you put his numbers beside the top players that have gone through the system over the years, he's at the top comfortably.

 

[Patmac40]

Xavier Parent, anyone?
Saw the guy last year, he was ripping it off in PeeWee AAA.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=241379

24 points in 15 games this year so far.
http://www.lheq.ca/fr/stats/dossier_equipe.html?season=6&subSeason=1&category=5043&team=27411

 

[Tarasenko]

24 points in 15 games this year so far.
http://www.lheq.ca/fr/stats/dossier_equipe.html?season=6&subSeason=1&category=5043&team=27411

Could become a highly skilled power forward by looking at his penalty minutes

I grew up playing with a "child prodigy". He ended up as a ppg player in major junior and never played higher than echl. It takes a lot of hard work to live up to those expectations.

Who was it?

Kid is playing against house league players. Put him in a AAA league in the GTA and see how he does.

The dude is actually drafted by Florida Panthers (2nd round) and is currently doing over 1 PPG in the WHL

 

[Ralonzo]

Hockey nomad goes to Russia? that was Evgeny Kuznetsov of the Caps.

Yes, Zhenya is familiar of Evgeny in Russian. Like Dick is familiar of Richard in English.

 

[CanadienShark]

Well, here are some top British Elite League players (Great Britain First/Second Liners) and their stats at the same age:

Robert Dowd (2001-02)
U14: 12gp 18g 11a 29p
U16: 11gp 5g 5a 10p

Robert Farmer (2004-05)
U14: 18gp 72g 52a 124p
U16: 15gp 13a 19a 32p

Robert Lachowicz (2003-04)
U14: 14gp 48g 31a 79p
U16: 13gp 15g 13a 28p

Current Top GB Prospect, playing in Sweden J18/20 Elit

Samuel Duggan (2011-12)
U14: 17gp 52g 46a 98p
U16: 16gp 17g 10a 27p

Ivan Antonov (2010-11) currently putting up 1ppg in GB 2nd tier as a 17yr old.
U14: 17gp 23g 33a 56p
U16: 12gp 5g 8a 13p

Brett Perlini (2003-04) (Anaheim draft pick)
U14: 18gp 54g 43a 97p
U16: 12gp 15g 14a 29p

So just to compare him to those:

Kieran Brown (2014-15) Pro-rated for 18 U14 games and 12 U16 games...
U14: 18gp 108g 96a 204p
U16: 12gp 9g 24a 33p

Brendan Perlini (Arizona first rounder) 2006-07 (only comparison is at age 10)
U12: 17gp 50g 39a 89p
U14: 16gp 3g 7a 10p

Kieran Brown age 10 (2011-12):
U12: 16gp 124g 6a 130p
U14: 15gp 22g 11 a 33p

Thanks for that! So basically what this kid is doing is impressive no matter who you compare him to.

 

[wings5]

Well, here are some top British Elite League players (Great Britain First/Second Liners) and their stats at the same age:

Robert Dowd (2001-02)
U14: 12gp 18g 11a 29p
U16: 11gp 5g 5a 10p

Robert Farmer (2004-05)
U14: 18gp 72g 52a 124p
U16: 15gp 13a 19a 32p

Robert Lachowicz (2003-04)
U14: 14gp 48g 31a 79p
U16: 13gp 15g 13a 28p

Current Top GB Prospect, playing in Sweden J18/20 Elit

Samuel Duggan (2011-12)
U14: 17gp 52g 46a 98p
U16: 16gp 17g 10a 27p

Ivan Antonov (2010-11) currently putting up 1ppg in GB 2nd tier as a 17yr old.
U14: 17gp 23g 33a 56p
U16: 12gp 5g 8a 13p

Brett Perlini (2003-04) (Anaheim draft pick)
U14: 18gp 54g 43a 97p
U16: 12gp 15g 14a 29p

So just to compare him to those:

Kieran Brown (2014-15) Pro-rated for 18 U14 games and 12 U16 games...
U14: 18gp 108g 96a 204p
U16: 12gp 9g 24a 33p

Brendan Perlini (Arizona first rounder) 2006-07 (only comparison is at age 10)
U12: 17gp 50g 39a 89p
U14: 16gp 3g 7a 10p

Kieran Brown age 10 (2011-12):
U12: 16gp 124g 6a 130p
U14: 15gp 22g 11 a 33p

LOL is this some sort of joke? Brown had 118 more goals than assists at u12 level......

 

[GFF]

LOL is this some sort of joke? Brown had 118 more goals than assists at u12 level......

He was tearing up U12 since the age of about 7...I can only imagine that being his fnial year in U12 he was so far ahead that even his team mates could not keep up with him! The whole team only scored 132 goals that year! Edit, not his final year of U12, he played another and scored 141 goals and 32 assists....just bad teammates!!

Age 9: 16gp 84g 27a 111p
Age 8: 13gp 78g 24a 102p (division 2)
Age 7: 16gp 31g 9a 40p (division 2)
Age 6: 13gp 6g 9a 15p (div 2)
Age 5: 5gp 0g 0a 0p (div 2)

He first started skating with the U12s at the age of 3...

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Kieran Brown (2014-15) Pro-rated for 18 U14 games and 12 U16 games...
U14: 18gp 108g 96a 204p
U16: 12gp 9g 24a 33p

Not sure where you got those numbers?

they have 18 games in u16 & he currently has 3PPG (5-6-9-15). That comes to 54 points & he still hasn't played against the bottom feeders yet.

 

[GFF]

Not sure where you got those numbers?

they have 18 games in u16 & he currently has 3PPG (5-6-9-15). That comes to 54 points & he still hasn't played against the bottom feeders yet.

I am asuming some U14/U16 may overlap so he cannot play them all...

 

[3 Minute Minor]

I am asuming some U14/U16 may overlap so he cannot play them all...

There's only 1 in March that conflicts to the point where he wouldn't be able to play in both on the same day (like last week) and I would hope they'd let him play vs. one of the best U16 teams > one of the worst U14 teams.

 

[GFF]

There's only 1 in March that conflicts to the point where he wouldn't be able to play in both on the same day (like last week) and I would hope they'd let him play vs. one of the best U16 teams > one of the worst U14 teams.

Fair enough, I'm not so up to date on the fixtures etc.

I hope he can continue to develop at the rate he has so far...lots of debate about nature/nurture of these young guys, I know Tony Hand was doing OK when he got drafted but he was playing against men at age 14, my worry is that Brendan Perlini has had a magnificent rise in his talent levels since he moved back to NA....if Kieran could get the same - be it here or NA or Europe then he could make it...long time to go but I what plans his parents have for him? Shattucks in a couple of years?

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Fair enough, I'm not so up to date on the fixtures etc.

I hope he can continue to develop at the rate he has so far...lots of debate about nature/nurture of these young guys, I know Tony Hand was doing OK when he got drafted but he was playing against men at age 14, my worry is that Brendan Perlini has had a magnificent rise in his talent levels since he moved back to NA....if Kieran could get the same - be it here or NA or Europe then he could make it...long time to go but I what plans his parents have for him? Shattucks in a couple of years?

You'd have to ask them.

For what it's worth, Sam Duggan is doing pretty well for himself in Sweden and he didn't leave until he was 16. He's leading his team in scoring on their way to their first birth in J18 Allsvenskan in 10 years while playing some J20 games in SuperElit.

 

[SalVitro]

These kids are impressive, and I hope they make it far... But I know a bunch of kids who scored 2ppg on tier 1 U16 teams who scored 0ppg in USHL and OHL... So the stats can be misleading

 

[3 Minute Minor]

LOL is this some sort of joke? Brown had 118 more goals than assists at u12 level......

I wouldn't read too much into that. In fairness he assisted 75% of the goals he didn't score himself. So that season as a 10 year old, he had 130 points on his teams 132 goals.

There is only a handful of kids from that 2011-12 team still playing in Bradford. There are kids coming from other organizations to play with Brown and his assist totals have gone way up the last 2 years as his team has got better.

This season he has 50 points between the 2 levels & 26 of them are assists.

 

[Swindon Lad]

Fair enough, I'm not so up to date on the fixtures etc.

I hope he can continue to develop at the rate he has so far...lots of debate about nature/nurture of these young guys, I know Tony Hand was doing OK when he got drafted but he was playing against men at age 14, my worry is that Brendan Perlini has had a magnificent rise in his talent levels since he moved back to NA....if Kieran could get the same - be it here or NA or Europe then he could make it...long time to go but I what plans his parents have for him? Shattucks in a couple of years?

Easy for British kids to rack up the points playing games against kids who can hardly skate, Kiernan Brown is no different, our junior setup is a flamin joke. Put him in against AA or AAA North American boys and he would hardly see the puck, don't believe the hype.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Easy for British kids to rack up the points playing games against kids who can hardly skate, Kiernan Brown is no different, our junior setup is a flamin joke. Put him in against AA or AAA North American boys and he would hardly see the puck, don't believe the hype.

Another '01 born Brit is currently playing in Ottawa AA where he has 30 points in 16 games and is leading the league in goals with 20. Last season he had 3 points in 3 games in England U16 North 1 (Brown had 31 points in 13 games). Pretty impressive for a kid that can hardly see the puck against those superior North American boys.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Siamese Dream]

Kieran Brown is now on 33 goals and 62 points in 13 games played in U16, 73 goals and 112 points in 12 games played in U14

His U14 teammate Alex Graham has 96 goals and 112 points in U12, but just 23 goals and 34 points in U14 playing with Brown

 

[GFF]

Very impressive stats and leads the league in scoring too!

Will be interesting to see whether he sticks in the UK or tries to go abroad.