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Prospect Info: Charlie Stramel, C, 21st Overall, 2023 NHL Draft
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Minnewildsota
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I’m not gonna lie, he looked like a guy who doesn’t know where he should be positioned on the ice. I expect that to get better with coaching and time.
It’s really no surprise that the Minnesota State players (Silye, Fitzgerald, Tassy) have stood out over most of the returning badgers.
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Would appreciate if he would just develop into a number 1 center. I’ll spend the next 5-7 years expecting that and then develop a subconscious hatred for him when he ends up only being a good 3rd line center.
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Are you seeing any raw skills/potential there, or is he pretty much invisible?
He looked better on Saturday. If he played a little more assertive I think he would have better stats. There is definitely potential there. Big body, almost to the point where I'm not sure he knows how to use it to his advantage. In terms of high end skill, I don't see anything that suggests he has any.
My hope is he becomes Joel "The Shovel" Eriksson Ek 2.0 instead of Jordan Greenway 2.0.
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21st Overalls over the decade between 2009 and 2018:
2018 Ryan Merkley
2017 Filip Chytil
2016 Julien Gauthier
2015 Colin White
2014 Robby Fabri
2013 Frederik Gauthier
2012 Mark Jankowski
2011 Stefan Noesen
2010 Riley Sheahan
2009 John Moore
Looks like the best players have simply been useful middle of the lineup guys. I don't see a real good 2nd line/2nd pairing guy in the bunch. Maybe Chytil. I expect Stramel to end up a 30ish point 3rd line center, not a 2nd line center with high-end skill.
2018 Ryan Merkley
2017 Filip Chytil
2016 Julien Gauthier
2015 Colin White
2014 Robby Fabri
2013 Frederik Gauthier
2012 Mark Jankowski
2011 Stefan Noesen
2010 Riley Sheahan
2009 John Moore
Looks like the best players have simply been useful middle of the lineup guys. I don't see a real good 2nd line/2nd pairing guy in the bunch. Maybe Chytil. I expect Stramel to end up a 30ish point 3rd line center, not a 2nd line center with high-end skill.
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He's only played 3 games this season. it's important that we pigeonhole him right away.
He’s got potential, but there is a lot of work to be done.
Ek took a long time to turn into what he is today. I’m hoping Stramel is similar.
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He's a sophomore. Progress would be welcome.
As you're aware, elite NHL prospects often play one year of college hockey before turning pro. A prospect could take more time obviously, but I think it's fine to worry that he's doing about the same with a year's growth.
It was a bad, against-the-grain pick and it's fine to say so.
Plenty of good NHLers have been drafted after pick 21 too. 2015's Samsonov, Boeser and Konecny for example. If 2023 proves to be a deep draft as some have guessed, Stramel may represent a missed opportunity like the one Oilers and Bruins flubbed in 2015.
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Sure, plenty of good NHLers have been found at all spots in the draft, just not regularly. My only point was that my expectations are bottom-6 because that's what history says they should be, but that doesn't mean he'll end up being that, there are nearly always outliers. Even a lack of high-end puck skill can be overcome by intelligence, tenacity, and size.
What you present is a double edged sword. It may be that a guy drafted after him was the right one to pick, or it may be that Stramel himself is that guy.
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Absolutely. I've said many times bigger guys often need a little more time to develop a complete game. Might be that they get a little lazy when they can dominate physically, or a variety of other reasons. Often, I'd say picking a guy after a year of college hockey is a great move -- later in the draft especially. Have to trust the professional scouts as fans, and sure it's better to pick a bottom six guy then a complete bust. But when a guy doesn't look like he has much upside after a year of college hockey, and doesn't look like he took much of a step over the summer...could be that every scouting service, except for Bill Guerin's gut, was on to something with Stramel.
I’ll give it more than 3 games to wipe the stink off from the previous coaching staff. Most of the things I think he needs to work on are coachable IMO. But I will say, I hope for better than what I’ve seen so far.
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I liked the Stramel pick at the time and I think people forget that this is his d+1 season. We all remember Boldy in his d+1.
That’s being said, I think you’d have to be realistic about his skill set and realize that his ceiling feels extremely limited barring some luck with his development. It can happen, but you need him to develop a couple more NHL-level qualities and so far I’m not sure he has any. Compete maybe, but it’s inconsistent from what I hear?
That’s being said, I think you’d have to be realistic about his skill set and realize that his ceiling feels extremely limited barring some luck with his development. It can happen, but you need him to develop a couple more NHL-level qualities and so far I’m not sure he has any. Compete maybe, but it’s inconsistent from what I hear?
I refuse to watch any Wisconsin games, but the play I have seen from him with the national team showed legitimate skill and NHL potential. He is not a low IQ player as I think some seem to imply, or at least he does not appear that way when he is with his peer competition, quite the opposite. And he has a tremendous motor, great strength and positioning to use it.
He has essentially the same ceiling as JEE, whatever that may be. Its clear the Wild development staff have a template with him that they think they can replicate, he has shown consistent improvement every year. Kumpulainen is a very similar project, big body Centers with insane stamina, good positioning, and flashes of underlying skill.
If we can start pumping out JEE clones, even discount versions, I am all about it. Remember when JEE was discount Mikko?
