Player Discussion Charlie Coyle

[PlayMakers]

Will he succeed or fail as the #1c?

What do you project his point totals to be, and why?

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[PlayMakers]

Who is Mitchell displacing in the lineup? He could certainly be 7D but then they're waiving Zboril, which contradicts your business part.

They can absolutely afford to pay a bit for some depth (this is one place you can go above the cap in terms of cash but not eat the cap hit) and hope any of these forwards can beat him out. But he's there in case they can't, or in case they do and then get hurt. Again, he got waived from the freaking Flyers last year.

Lucic has never had more than 47% DZ starts in a season. You don't play Brown at 4C for a more dynamic offensive lineup - he's the Nosek strategy (90% DZ starts last year), so if you're going there, you're either completely misusing Lucic, or you're moving him up the lineup. And you don't have Boqvist to eat 75%+ DZ starts either - that's not his game.

A redefined fourth line who doesn't get completely buried? Something like Lauko-Beecher-Boqvist? That's a different story.

I think they carry 2 D. Zboril and Mitchell as the spares, and 1 extra forward in Greer.

Just because Lucic hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't. Nosek wasn't used that way before he got here either. In his 4 years in Vegas he averaged 53% Dzone starts.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think they carry 2 D. Zboril and Mitchell as the spares, and 1 extra forward in Greer.

Just because Lucic hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't. Nosek wasn't used that way before he got here either. In his 4 years in Vegas he averaged 53% Dzone starts.

Oh ok you said in the lineup my bad. And if you want Lucic buried in his own zone all the time you’re asking for disaster. That’s not his strength whatsoever

 

[PlayMakers]

Maybe I'm misreading things, but it seems to me like they're trying very hard to recreate as much as they can of their record setting roster with low cost analogs...

March - Coyle - DeBrusk
Coyle becomes the right shot, defensive minded center who frees up the wings to do their thing.

JVR - Zacha - Pasta
JVR takes the place of Bertuzzi as a natural net front presence and crafty passer from down low.

Boqvist - Geekie - Frederic
Boqvist takes the place of Hall as the speedy puck carrier and playmaker. who helps transport the puck from the DZ to OZ. Geekie replaces Coyle as the big, right handed 3C who's a heavy presence down low in the Ozone.

Lucic - Brown - Greer/Rookie
Lucic replaces Foligno as the fun uncle in the room and a physical presence on the 4th line. Brown replaces Nosek as a face-off ace and PK'er.

Grzelcyk-McAvoy
Lihdolm-Carlo
Forbort-Shattenkirk
Shattenkirk replaces Clifton as the right handed puck mover in the 3rd pair.
Zboril-Mitchell


Obviously all downgrades but it's all they can afford. Am I the only one that thinks the guys they brought in look like low-rent replacements?

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Maybe I'm misreading things, but it seems to me like they're trying very hard to recreate as much as they can of their record setting roster with low cost analogs...

March - Coyle - DeBrusk
Coyle becomes the right shot, defensive minded center who frees up the wings to do their thing.

JVR - Zacha - Pasta
JVR takes the place of Bertuzzi as a natural net front presence and crafty passer from down low.

Boqvist - Geekie - Frederic
Boqvist takes the place of Hall as the speedy puck carrier and playmaker. who helps transport the puck from the DZ to OZ. Geekie replaces Coyle as the big, right handed 3C who's a heavy presence down low in the Ozone.

Lucic - Brown - Greer/Rookie
Lucic replaces Foligno as the fun uncle in the room and a physical presence on the 4th line. Brown replaces Nosek as a face-off ace and PK'er.

Grzelcyk-McAvoy
Lihdolm-Carlo
Forbort-Shattenkirk
Shattenkirk replaces Clifton as the right handed puck mover in the 3rd pair.
Zboril-Mitchell


Obviously all downgrades but it's all they can afford. Am I the only one that thinks the guys they brought in look like low-rent replacements?

The middle child hand-me-downs.

 

[yazmybaby]

Maybe I'm misreading things, but it seems to me like they're trying very hard to recreate as much as they can of their record setting roster with low cost analogs...

March - Coyle - DeBrusk
Coyle becomes the right shot, defensive minded center who frees up the wings to do their thing.

JVR - Zacha - Pasta
JVR takes the place of Bertuzzi as a natural net front presence and crafty passer from down low.

Boqvist - Geekie - Frederic
Boqvist takes the place of Hall as the speedy puck carrier and playmaker. who helps transport the puck from the DZ to OZ. Geekie replaces Coyle as the big, right handed 3C who's a heavy presence down low in the Ozone.

Lucic - Brown - Greer/Rookie
Lucic replaces Foligno as the fun uncle in the room and a physical presence on the 4th line. Brown replaces Nosek as a face-off ace and PK'er.

Grzelcyk-McAvoy
Lihdolm-Carlo
Forbort-Shattenkirk
Shattenkirk replaces Clifton as the right handed puck mover in the 3rd pair.
Zboril-Mitchell


Obviously all downgrades but it's all they can afford. Am I the only one that thinks the guys they brought in look like low-rent replacements?

Looking at these lines, #1 and 2 are okay, but 3 and 4....yikes.
I think Lauko makes this team. He deserves a spot somewhere. We need his speed / hustle.
Geekie and Brown do not excite me , hope they both play well and have record seasons.
Our dee and goalies are way above league average.
We will need to win games 2-1 and 3-2 this year.
We have lost a great deal of scoring with the loss of TH/PB/DK and Bertuzzi.

 

[DKH]

Hopefully dk is back Coyle as number 1 is freaking me out.

The team that destroys Toronto next Spring will have Coyle at third line center having David Kampf for supper with some fava beans and a nice Chianti

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

I like seeing that Geekie played 38 games with the Hurricanes from 2019-2021, he must have some doucheyness in him.

 

[NDiesel]

Maybe I'm misreading things, but it seems to me like they're trying very hard to recreate as much as they can of their record setting roster with low cost analogs...

March - Coyle - DeBrusk
Coyle becomes the right shot, defensive minded center who frees up the wings to do their thing.

JVR - Zacha - Pasta
JVR takes the place of Bertuzzi as a natural net front presence and crafty passer from down low.

Boqvist - Geekie - Frederic
Boqvist takes the place of Hall as the speedy puck carrier and playmaker. who helps transport the puck from the DZ to OZ. Geekie replaces Coyle as the big, right handed 3C who's a heavy presence down low in the Ozone.

Lucic - Brown - Greer/Rookie
Lucic replaces Foligno as the fun uncle in the room and a physical presence on the 4th line. Brown replaces Nosek as a face-off ace and PK'er.

Grzelcyk-McAvoy
Lihdolm-Carlo
Forbort-Shattenkirk
Shattenkirk replaces Clifton as the right handed puck mover in the 3rd pair.
Zboril-Mitchell


Obviously all downgrades but it's all they can afford. Am I the only one that thinks the guys they brought in look like low-rent replacements?

Those lines make sense to start, but I would be very disappointed if not a single one of our forward prospects can earn a spot over Brown/Boqvist/JVR. I think Lauko is a lock for line 4 as well.

 

[BruinDust]

Who is Mitchell displacing in the lineup? He could certainly be 7D but then they're waiving Zboril, which contradicts your business part.

Actually it supports it.

Mitchell instead of Zboril as the 7th D saves them approx. 350k. Zboril's cap hit is low enough to bury the entire thing in the minors.

Keep in mind as well, Zboril was signed last summer before he spent 3 months straight in the press box. Does management feel as strongly about Zboril here a year later? Probably not.

 

[yazmybaby]

The team that destroys Toronto next Spring will have Coyle at third line center having David Kampf for supper with some fava beans and a nice Chianti

I love the way you think!!!!

 

[Blowfish]

I sort of feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread.

A 31-year-old player doesn't suddenly transform into a #1 center just because you put him in that position. If Charlie Coyle had that in him he'd already be that.

Well it appears there's at least 3 which "liked' what you said.... Does this mean everyone else is taking crazy pills?

I think they carry 2 D. Zboril and Mitchell as the spares, and 1 extra forward in Greer.

Just because Lucic hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't. Nosek wasn't used that way before he got here either. In his 4 years in Vegas he averaged 53% Dzone starts.

I keep forgetting about Greer...easy thing to do.

 

[DKH]

Sal Frelick (I’m assuming he’s a Bruins fan) never batted cleanup in his life- not in little league, high school, at BC, or any minor league stops - yet when he’s called up to the Brewers last week they stick him 4th clean up in their lineup - he said he had to look at it a couple of times to make sure he wasn’t seeing things

Charlie Coyle centered DeBrusk & Merchand but he’s a third line center

Let’s stop getting worried about this before August

Even if he starts centering Marchand, Whoopie. Riley Nash did this and got him a good contract with Columbus

By March if not sooner Coyle will be back to getting 25% offensive starts, National media and opposing coaches and players will laud his 200 foot game, and Bruins fans will cry about his contract and all the other nonsense when it comes to CC

I'm interested in who the 4th center of the group will be. I'm really hoping that Frederic can get back to playing C and be part of the 4-man group.

Just get to the dance. That's all I care about now.

Which group stands to be better come Aprl/May/June.

Bergeron - 37
Krejci - 36
Coyle - 31
Nosek- 30


Zacha - 26
Geekie - 25
Coyle - 32
Frederic - 25

There is a part of me that thinks I'd take the bottom group of C's come playoff time. Folks raised concerns last summer of trying to win with your two top C's in their late 30s and that's exactly how it played out, just not in Boston's favor.

Here is my game 1 playoff C group vs Panthers next April

Elias Lindholm
Pavel Zacha
Charlie Coyle
Patrick Brown

 

[PlayMakers]

Plz try to stick to Coyle talk (and how he fits in the lineup) in the Coyle thread.

Part of the reason I started this thread was because the Coyle talk was starting to take over the Trade Rumor thread.


FYI: I moved 3 or 4 Lindholm posts over to the Trade thread.

 

[Mainehockey33]

2C is the highest he goes when everyone is healthy. Put Marchand on his line to be the offensive driver, might be ok. Still hoping someone else steps up.

 

[DKH]

Stick to Coyle talk in the Coyle thread plz.

Part of the reason I started this thread was because the Coyle talk was starting to take over the Trade Rumor/Suggestion thread.

It’s a shame every summer I have to take time from recharging my batteries to come here and defend Charlie Coyle by the same people (we actually lost a hater it’s down 7 so we are making process)

Top 10 forward in +/- 29 with 75.6 % defensive zone starts - all while playing against top 6 lines and saddled with Trent Frederic, who I learned in another thread here is terrible

 

[mjhfb]

Donny blueprint

Marchand- Lindholm - DeBrusk
JVR - Zacha - Pastrnak
Frederic-Coyle - Geekie

Hanifin- McAvoy
Lindholm- Carlo

Ullmark/Swayman

Gives him 3 top 14 picks in 2015 draft

Great recovery from Keith Gretzky organizational malpractice

I'm not so sure about Debrusk at 1RW and Pasta at 2RW next season. That was done mostly to accommodate Krejci and "balance" the lines. We'll see.

 

[PlayMakers]

I'm not so sure about Debrusk at 1RW and Pasta at 2RW next season. That was done mostly to accommodate Krejci and "balance" the lines. We'll see.

That was done before Krejci.

It was done to spread the scoring when we weren't getting enough offense from the so-called 2nd line during the season Krejci was in Europe. Hall-Haula-Pastrnak was the first time they tried it, and it worked. Separating Marchand and Pasta gave gave the team more goals overall as each of them were able to drive a line on their own.

 

[EverettMike]

It’s a shame every summer I have to take time from recharging my batteries to come here and defend Charlie Coyle by the same people (we actually lost a hater it’s down 7 so we are making process)

Top 10 forward in +/- 29 with 75.6 % defensive zone starts - all while playing against top 6 lines and saddled with Trent Frederic, who I learned in another thread here is terrible

Don't blame other posters. Charlie Coyle should try playing better in the spring so you can enjoy your summer.

 

[BruinDust]

Oh ok you said in the lineup my bad. And if you want Lucic buried in his own zone all the time you’re asking for disaster. That’s not his strength whatsoever

I think you are spot on about Lucic.

Start with Lucic - Geekie - Boqvist on the 3rd line with the softest defensive assignments.

Coyle with Debrusk and Marchand. They get the scoring+shutdown line role ala Bergeron's line.

JVR - Zacha - Pasta get the 2nd softest defensive assignments but the best offensive deployment.

4th line of Brown and Co. get the 2nd hardest defensive match-ups after Coyle's line.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Watch Lucic put up 20 this year with Geekie Lmao

 

[EverettMike]

Watch Lucic put up 20 this year with Geekie Lmao

I doubt they both end up in the AHL.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Watch Lucic put up 20 this year with Geekie Lmao

Lucic-Geekie-Frederic will be our Legion of Doom line.

 

[DKH]

Lucic-Geekie-Frederic will be our Legion of Doom line.

The most overrated hockey player in my lifetime is Ryan Reaves

This guy has managed to play 850 games and Is still 200 goals behind Milan Lucic

I want to see Lucic shove his fist down his throat infront of those pathetic Leafs frauds

 

[Mainehockey33]

The most overrated hockey player in my lifetime is Ryan Reaves

This guy has managed to play 850 games and Is still 200 goals behind Milan Lucic

I want to see Lucic shove his fist down his throat infront of those pathetic Leafs frauds

Reaves has never fought Lucic, hope that changes. Bruins Leafs matchup will be fun this year. Sounds like Frederic will be on a line with Lucic too.

 

[DKH]

Will he succeed or fail as the #1c?

What do you project his point totals to be, and why?

After arbitration done Donny will be turning his attention to Elias Lindholm

I’ll put it at 20% Coyle skates 800-1000 minutes with Captain Marshy but if he does

22-42 +30

I’m actually intrigued by the third line of

Frederic- Coyle - Geekie

I went thru Daily Faceoffs third line and I had this line easily top 5 (full disclosure I have Frederic in the HFL SIM and actually watch him so I know he’s good) and been turned on to Geekie by one time HF member WBC8 aka Lou who has retired along with Bergeron to spend more time with dog

Reaves has never fought Lucic, hope that changes. Bruins Leafs matchup will be fun this year. Sounds like Frederic will be on a line with Lucic too.

I am hoping the night the Leafs trade Nylander is Mai Tai night at Wardhurst