Player Discussion Charlie Coyle

[PlayMakers]

Will he succeed or fail as the #1c?

What do you project his point totals to be, and why?

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[Mainehockey33]

Coyle is like a workhorse. Guy is huge and hard to knock off the puck but unfortunately he wears those blinders that block 90% of his field of view. Sure he’d probably get more assists with Pastrnak but probably at the detriment to Pastrnak.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Cannot overestimate the effect of that.

Then add Krejci and Nosek to that and you are going to have a Grand Canyon sized hole in team defensive capability. I think Ullmark and Swayman's numbers are going to take a significant hit because of the center Corp turnover. The bottom six have the potential to be a black hole also.

 

[BruinDust]

Then add Krejci and Nosek to that and you are going to have a Grand Canyon sized hole in team defensive capability. I think Ullmark and Swayman's numbers are going to take a significant hit because of the center Corp turnover. The bottom six have the potential to be a black hole also.

I think the downgrade defensively up the middle is more concerning than the offensive downgrade.

And not just the center-ice position. Lucic and JVR aren't exactly known for their work in their own end. I'd expect a lot of offensive zone starts for both as they'll try to keep them away from the defensive zone against other teams top players.

Who would be next year's PK forwards right now?

Marchand
Zacha
Coyle
Debrusk
Brown (if dressed)

I don't know who the other one would be. Plus whomever the 7th guy is in case one of the regular six are in the box.

 

[Dr Hook]

I think the downgrade defensively up the middle is more concerning than the offensive downgrade.

And not just the center-ice position. Lucic and JVR aren't exactly known for their work in their own end. I'd expect a lot of offensive zone starts for both as they'll try to keep them away from the defensive zone against other teams top players.

Who would be next year's PK forwards right now?

Marchand
Zacha
Coyle
Debrusk
Brown (if dressed)

I don't know who the other one would be. Plus whomever the 7th guy is in case one of the regular six are in the box.

Morgan Geekie on the PK I think

 

[BruinDust]

Morgan Geekie on the PK I think

Of what is leftover, it's him and/or Frederic. If Brown plays and where Brown is playing will also impact that.

Non-PK duty

Pasta
JVR
Lucic
Boqvist/Lauko/Greer (whichever two are dressed)

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I think the downgrade defensively up the middle is more concerning than the offensive downgrade.

And not just the center-ice position. Lucic and JVR aren't exactly known for their work in their own end. I'd expect a lot of offensive zone starts for both as they'll try to keep them away from the defensive zone against other teams top players.

Who would be next year's PK forwards right now?

Marchand
Zacha
Coyle
Debrusk
Brown (if dressed)

I don't know who the other one would be. Plus whomever the 7th guy is in case one of the regular six are in the box.

That's four of the top six and a "maybe makes the team."

Not sustainable.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Think he's going to show flashes of dominance



Like he always has



And then leave folks speculating about how ti get a real #1

Flashes of dominance.

Flashes of looking completely over his head.

Bruins #1C has become this generations top 6 winger problem. (Altho even that's kind of in question as well right now, long term with literally only Pastrnak signed)

 

[Blowfish]

So 1C and 2C the majority ... makes sense. Some really good arguments for and against Coyle. The best case scenario is he becomes 1C and that contract looks animal!

I'm betting animal!

 

[CDJ]

I could see Lauko killing penalties

 

[PlayMakers]

I think the downgrade defensively up the middle is more concerning than the offensive downgrade.

And not just the center-ice position. Lucic and JVR aren't exactly known for their work in their own end. I'd expect a lot of offensive zone starts for both as they'll try to keep them away from the defensive zone against other teams top players.

Who would be next year's PK forwards right now?

Marchand
Zacha
Coyle
Debrusk
Brown (if dressed)

I don't know who the other one would be. Plus whomever the 7th guy is in case one of the regular six are in the box.

I agree about the defensive side of the game being a downgrade, especially at even strength.

On the PK, they are returning 5 of their top7 PK'ers...

Coyle (#1)
Marchand
Zacha
DeBrusk
Frederic

I would expect Brown to be part of that mix as well. He's a dominant FO guy and averaged 1:12 PK TOI per game in Ottawa.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I agree about the defensive side of the game being a downgrade, especially at even strength.

On the PK, they are returning 5 of their top7 PK'ers...

Coyle (#1)
Marchand
Zacha
DeBrusk
Frederic

I would expect Brown to be part of that mix as well. He's a dominant FO guy and averaged 1:12 PK TOI per game in Ottawa.

Freddy only had 36 mins short handed last year, but I think he’s a prime candidate to play there this year.

I will consider it a huge disappointment if Brown is a regular in the lineup this year. Someone has to beat him out.

 

[BruinDust]

I agree about the defensive side of the game being a downgrade, especially at even strength.

On the PK, they are returning 5 of their top7 PK'ers...

Coyle (#1)
Marchand
Zacha
DeBrusk
Frederic

I would expect Brown to be part of that mix as well. He's a dominant FO guy and averaged 1:12 PK TOI per game in Ottawa.

Freddy only had 36 mins short handed last year, but I think he’s a prime candidate to play there this year.

I will consider it a huge disappointment if Brown is a regular in the lineup this year. Someone has to beat him out.

They are losing # 2 and # 3 (Bergeron and Nosek).

Brown is absolutely here IMO. They wanted another right-shot forward who could be trusted to win key draws. Described on his Wikipedia page as a "face-off specialist". Two-time former AHL captain they wanted him here for something specific.

If he's in the line-up and he's not killing penalties I'd be shocked. Ottawa last year leaned on 5 guys over 3 pairs and the 6th option was filled by Stutzle at times and Brown once he came over from Philly. In Philly he was 5th in PK time but I'm not sure how many games he and Sedlak overlapped, so Brown was likely one of their 4 PK forwards (looks like they ran 2 units).

Brown to me is the new Nosek but may play some RW as well.

The 6th and 7th spots are down to Geekie and Frederic.

In Seattle, they also ran 2 pairs of F on the PK, with Wennberg, Gourde, and Tanev all seeing over 2 mins. each on average. The 4th spot was split between Geekie and McCann in the 45 sec to 1 min range.

Frederic technically was 8th in Boston but that's behind Hathaway who wasn't here all year.

I think 5 spots are set.

If Frederic centers the 4th line, I think it's him over Geekie.

If Frederic is on the wing on a scoring line, I think it ends up Geekie over Frederic.

The loser in either scenario would be the 7th(spare) PKer.

I think the bigger concern for me is good defensive players out, and two pretty bad defensive wingers in (JVR and Lucic) 5 on 5.

If they are on different lines, the coaches will have to be a bit more careful on match-ups.

All in all, I'd pretty much put money on Boston's GAA going up from last year. The question is, how much?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

They are losing # 2 and # 3 (Bergeron and Nosek).

Brown is absolutely here IMO. They wanted another right-shot forward who could be trusted to win key draws. Described on his Wikipedia page as a "face-off specialist". Two-time former AHL captain they wanted him here for something specific.

If he's in the line-up and he's not killing penalties I'd be shocked. Ottawa last year leaned on 5 guys over 3 pairs and the 6th option was filled by Stutzle at times and Brown once he came over from Philly. In Philly he was 5th in PK time but I'm not sure how many games he and Sedlak overlapped, so Brown was likely one of their 4 PK forwards (looks like they ran 2 units).

Brown to me is the new Nosek but may play some RW as well.

The 6th and 7th spots are down to Geekie and Frederic.

In Seattle, they also ran 2 pairs of F on the PK, with Wennberg, Gourde, and Tanev all seeing over 2 mins. each on average. The 4th spot was split between Geekie and McCann in the 45 sec to 1 min range.

Frederic technically was 8th in Boston but that's behind Hathaway who wasn't here all year.

I think 5 spots are set.

If Frederic centers the 4th line, I think it's him over Geekie.

If Frederic is on the wing on a scoring line, I think it ends up Geekie over Frederic.

The loser in either scenario would be the 7th(spare) PKer.

I think the bigger concern for me is good defensive players out, and two pretty bad defensive wingers in (JVR and Lucic) 5 on 5.

If they are on different lines, the coaches will have to be a bit more careful on match-ups.

All in all, I'd pretty much put money on Boston's GAA going up from last year. The question is, how much?

Brown is 31 years old and has 138 career games. He played 61 last year on two bad teams, one of them horrid. He’s here as 4C insurance and depth - if McLaughlin/Beecher/Geekie/Boqvist don’t beat him out it will be a big disappointment. He’s 13F at best and quite likely Providence depth. He’s no Tomas Nosek.

If he is in the lineup I’m sure he’d be 6F on the PK.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

This is the 2nd brown weve had on this team in recent years where if he's seeing regular playing time something has gone horrifically wrong.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Freddy only had 36 mins short handed last year, but I think he’s a prime candidate to play there this year.

I thought he actually looked good at it a couple seasons ago. As was the usual, Cassidy didn't overly care about that.

Based off a quick look, Carlo and McAvoy might be the only under-25 players he ever trusted with consistent PK time. Maybe you can count Lauzon, who got heavy PK minutes for half a season at age 25 iirc.

 

[BruinDust]

Brown is 31 years old and has 138 career games. He played 61 last year on two bad teams, one of them horrid. He’s here as 4C insurance and depth - if McLaughlin/Beecher/Geekie/Boqvist don’t beat him out it will be a big disappointment. He’s 13F at best and quite likely Providence depth. He’s no Tomas Nosek.

If he is in the lineup I’m sure he’d be 6F on the PK.

He's not. But that looks like the spot he was signed for. Gave him a two-year, one-way deal.

Geekie isn't here to play on the 4th line either. He's centering one of the three scoring lines as it stands right now.

McLaughlin and Beecher don't need waivers and will be up against it to make the team. Any player that doesn't need waivers will have a tough time pushing guys on one-way contracts off the roster. To me, training camp/exhibition aren't really try-outs anymore. You see teams now run their "full line-up" earlier in exhibition because they already know what the team looks like. Just add up the one-way contracts. Baring outliers (example Carlo in 2016) those decisions are made long before camp.

Boqvist who knows. Skill guy he's likely on a scoring line or not in the line-up if they use the 4th line for heavy defensive assignments. I don't see him as a center here anyways.

With the defensive ability gone out the door up front, and the lack of right-handed shooters, tells me Brown is more likely to be dressed next year than Greer. And Greer is most likely fighting with Lauko for that final forward spot in the line-up.

 

[LSCII]

He's not. But that looks like the spot he was signed for. Gave him a two-year, one-way deal.

Geekie isn't here to play on the 4th line either. He's centering one of the three scoring lines as it stands right now.

McLaughlin and Beecher don't need waivers and will be up against it to make the team. Any player that doesn't need waivers will have a tough time pushing guys on one-way contracts off the roster. To me, training camp/exhibition aren't really try-outs anymore. You see teams now run their "full line-up" earlier in exhibition because they already know what the team looks like. Just add up the one-way contracts. Baring outliers (example Carlo in 2016) those decisions are made long before camp.

Boqvist who knows. Skill guy he's likely on a scoring line or not in the line-up if they use the 4th line for heavy defensive assignments. I don't see him as a center here anyways.

With the defensive ability gone out the door up front, and the lack of right-handed shooters, tells me Brown is more likely to be dressed next year than Greer. And Greer is most likely fighting with Lauko for that final forward spot in the line-up.

Can you really call them scoring lines when only one is likely to consistently score?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

He's not. But that looks like the spot he was signed for. Gave him a two-year, one-way deal.

Geekie isn't here to play on the 4th line either. He's centering one of the three scoring lines as it stands right now.

McLaughlin and Beecher don't need waivers and will be up against it to make the team. Any player that doesn't need waivers will have a tough time pushing guys on one-way contracts off the roster. To me, training camp/exhibition aren't really try-outs anymore. You see teams now run their "full line-up" earlier in exhibition because they already know what the team looks like. Just add up the one-way contracts. Baring outliers (example Carlo in 2016) those decisions are made long before camp.

Boqvist who knows. Skill guy he's likely on a scoring line or not in the line-up if they use the 4th line for heavy defensive assignments. I don't see him as a center here anyways.

With the defensive ability gone out the door up front, and the lack of right-handed shooters, tells me Brown is more likely to be dressed next year than Greer. And Greer is most likely fighting with Lauko for that final forward spot in the line-up.

Numbers are still not in Browns favor. Marchand-Zacha-Debrusk-Pasta-Coyle-JVR are pretty locked. Geekie is in the lineup somewhere as is Frederic (obviously a trade or JVR getting beat out is on the table). That’s 8.

Lucic is 9 one way or the other. He could be 13F but not in October. So four more slots.

Lauko
Boqvist
Merkulov
Lysell
Beecher
McLaughlin
Steen
Greer

If we can’t find four spots out of that group better than Patrick Brown I’ll be disappointed.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think Brown is a lock.

There's only one spot up for grabs, IMO.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think Brown is a lock.

There's only one spot up for grabs, IMO.

Why? How has he earned a lock?

 

[PlayMakers]

Why? How has he earned a lock?

2 year, 1-way contract. End of story.

Sweeney always goes with the 1-way contracts after camp. McLaughlin was one of our 6 or 7 best forwards in camp last year and he was sent down. Same story every camp. This year at least they have 1 open spot for a kid.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

2 year, 1-way contract. End of story.

Sweeney always goes with the 1-way contracts after camp. McLaughlin was one of our 6 or 7 best forwards in camp last year and he was sent down. Same story every camp. This year at least they have 1 open spot for a kid.

Yeah I hear you. But like I said I’ll be disappointed if they do that on the bottom of the roster this year.

I don’t think anyone is claiming him though. Because he’s Patrick Brown.

 

[The don godfather]

Hopefully dk is back Coyle as number 1 is freaking me out.

 

[BruinDust]

Numbers are still not in Browns favor. Marchand-Zacha-Debrusk-Pasta-Coyle-JVR are pretty locked. Geekie is in the lineup somewhere as is Frederic (obviously a trade or JVR getting beat out is on the table). That’s 8.

Lucic is 9 one way or the other. He could be 13F but not in October. So four more slots.

Lauko
Boqvist
Merkulov
Lysell
Beecher
McLaughlin
Steen
Greer

If we can’t find four spots out of that group better than Patrick Brown I’ll be disappointed.

Brown because of his skill-set when compared to the rest of this group, I think will be in the line-up more nights than most. To me, he's F #10 and a 4th line staple, for better or worse.

The competition for the other two spots on any given night will be Boqvist, Lauko, and Greer IMO.

I think the MO among most NHL teams now coming out of camp is protect your depth from waivers. Not worry to much about what the team looks like in October, but maintain depth and focus on what they will look like after the deadline. Guys on one-way contracts have a huge inside track.

All that being said, nothing is guaranteed. Steen last year looked like he'd be breaking camp based on his contract and he didn't impress and they put him on waivers.

I think based on the fact they just signed, Boqvist and Brown are safe from the waiver wire. Lauko is one of their most ready younger players and I think they really don't want to waive him.

If anyone's job is up for grabs, it may be Greer. Is he redundant now with Lucic here? Neither guy is much of a player in his own zone and a 4th line of Greer + Lucic on the wing would be a defensive liability.

That's who I think McLaughlin, or one of the other non-waiver guys, can supplant. But they have to kick the door down and force their way onto the line-up as everyday players. You won't find Merkulov or Lysell upstairs as the 13th F when they could be developing down in Providence.

I could easily see Merkulov getting a call up later in the year and scoring a bunch of goals and forcing his way onto the squad.

 

[Blowfish]

2 year, 1-way contract. End of story.

Sweeney always goes with the 1-way contracts after camp. McLaughlin was one of our 6 or 7 best forwards in camp last year and he was sent down. Same story every camp. This year at least they have 1 open spot for a kid.

Going to be a Bloodbath at camp and HFbruinboards this year. I can' wait!!!!