Player Discussion Charlie Coyle
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I’d trade all of our centers for Stutzle.
Josh Norris and Shane Pinto are also arguably better than Coyle and Zacha. Both are younger and have more upside.
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If Norris can come back to form with good health he's better than any center Bruins have, and their 21-year old number one center just had a 90 point season. I'll give you Philly, but then again that's a team contending for 1st overall pick. Bruins have by far the worst center group of any team that fancies themselves as a playoff contender.
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I’ll add… I’m not pretending Zacha isn’t a reliable Center. We have no idea yet if he is or not. I suspect he will prove himself to be, but so far in his career, he’s been an inconsistent winger. Far from a reliable C.
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Coyle won't be the number one center because he won't be centering Pastrnak. Semantics aside, if we are looking at him being the #2C purely from a points production standpoint:
Last season 5vs5 stats:
Coyle: 82 - 15 - 29 - 40
Bergeron: 78 - 16 - 21 - 37
Krejci: 70 - 12 - 32 - 44
No one on this team can replace Bergeron and Krejci, but I don't think it's far off to say Coyle can probably score 50+ pts next season with Marchand and DeBrusk on his line especially if he gets more time on the powerplay.
With that said, there are still three major questions with Coyle playing in the top 6 next season. Will he have line chemistry with Marchand, DeBrusk or whomever he is playing with in the top 6? Will he be able to match up against other teams' top 6 centers and at least not look out of place? Will he be consistent enough to play in a top 6 role? I guess time will tell.
Last season 5vs5 stats:
Coyle: 82 - 15 - 29 - 40
Bergeron: 78 - 16 - 21 - 37
Krejci: 70 - 12 - 32 - 44
No one on this team can replace Bergeron and Krejci, but I don't think it's far off to say Coyle can probably score 50+ pts next season with Marchand and DeBrusk on his line especially if he gets more time on the powerplay.
With that said, there are still three major questions with Coyle playing in the top 6 next season. Will he have line chemistry with Marchand, DeBrusk or whomever he is playing with in the top 6? Will he be able to match up against other teams' top 6 centers and at least not look out of place? Will he be consistent enough to play in a top 6 role? I guess time will tell.
PlayMakers
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I’ve been pushing those numbers all summer but nobody seems interested.
What makes them even more impressive, is that Coyle did that with 60% DZ starts and lesser talent/production on his wings.
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Ottawa center group is significantly better than the bruins. Stutzle, Norris and pinto is a much better group than Zacha, Coyle and geekie and it’s not even particularly close.
I have been a huge Coyle fan, but he isn't a top 32 center in the NHL. Never has and never will be.
He is in that 58-70 range of centers, who depending on health, can be considered a 2C league wide. However when you raise the bar to PO as you have alluded, he isn't a 2C either.
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yes, my bad, I was thinking Stutzle is a winger (which he still plays at times). We'll see about Norris and whether or not he can get back to form
mjhfb
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This has always been the concern. He shows flashes of real greatness for stretches, and then weeks later you're checking the game sheet because you can't remember if he played.
You're right, time will tell.
That's been his MO his entire career. He played in the top 6 as a RW in Minnesota and had his best year there but he didn't really sell the staff there he was a true top 6 player.
If Coyle had just the vision of Krejci, he would be a 2C and an upper half 2C, but unfortunately its not a strength of his game at all.
Kegs
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Coyle is absolutely a second line centre. We have just been spoiled with an insane centre core for so long. At one point it was savard, krecji, Bergeron. That’s 3 #1 centres.
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How many of you heard his appearance on Morning Bru recently? If not you should:
I'm honestly amped for his season, it sounds like he is too. I didn't realize the state of his knee the last 4-5 years. It's really good to hear he's 100% healthy now. He sounds totally ready to take the next big jump, and I thought he looked the part in the preseason.
I'm putting this here for a bump later:
24 goals 38 assists 62 pts, which is like a Hertl/Suzuki/PLD peer group for outputs (and definitely top 6 caliber)
It's a very David Krejci type season, fwiw. But i think he'll shoot more than Krejci would.
I'm honestly amped for his season, it sounds like he is too. I didn't realize the state of his knee the last 4-5 years. It's really good to hear he's 100% healthy now. He sounds totally ready to take the next big jump, and I thought he looked the part in the preseason.
I'm putting this here for a bump later:
24 goals 38 assists 62 pts, which is like a Hertl/Suzuki/PLD peer group for outputs (and definitely top 6 caliber)
It's a very David Krejci type season, fwiw. But i think he'll shoot more than Krejci would.
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He isn’t the blow-the-roof-off kind of player. He is the deliver-adequate-play type of player.
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Story of his career right there
He's a real solid +++ 3C and aparantly one hell of a good guy.
quietbruinfan
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Coyle looks like utter garbage so far. After last year, I had a little hope he might make a 2nd line center until they could find one. He looks three steps slower this year, ugly.
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DKH
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Best scenario Poitras good - jumps in and centers top line
Frederic- Coyle - Geekie
Big strong high end third line
Lucic - Beecher - Lauko
That’s a very good bottom 6 top 5 overall
Frederic- Coyle - Geekie
Big strong high end third line
Lucic - Beecher - Lauko
That’s a very good bottom 6 top 5 overall
PlayMakers
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Geez, I thought Coyle had a good game.
He led all centers in Dzone face-offs and Dzone starts. He was on the ice for 19 shot attempts for/10 against. He could easily have had a 2 point night with no power play time, but; 1) Marchand whiffed on the open net set up by Coyle, 2) Marchand passed to Pasta on the empty net (moving the second assist to McAvoy).
He plays every game like the first one the points will come and the plus/minus will climb.
He led all centers in Dzone face-offs and Dzone starts. He was on the ice for 19 shot attempts for/10 against. He could easily have had a 2 point night with no power play time, but; 1) Marchand whiffed on the open net set up by Coyle, 2) Marchand passed to Pasta on the empty net (moving the second assist to McAvoy).
He plays every game like the first one the points will come and the plus/minus will climb.
Kegs
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I liked coyles game. I actually thought Boston was pretty dominant. Fourth line was dominant. Third line had a lot of looks. First line scored. Second line was very effective. Gryz looked really good. I even saw him take a slap shot.
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Why? Least surprising thing ever to me. He’s shown multiple times now that he’s not a top 6 player. The problem isn’t him, it’s the organization trying to make him something he’s not because they failed to prepare for Bergeron and Krejci’s retirements
I’m surprised the organization was so quick to make the right move is all.
