Proposal: Chariot and Jake Allen to Leafs

[The Price is Right]

What would the Leafs need to trade?

I would say Knies, Lillgren, First round pick and cap dump not sure who

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[Leafs87]

No. Dubas specifically mentioned he wouldn’t do a trade if this nature. Not to mention the value is way off

 

[Just a Fan]

What would the Leafs need to trade?

I would say Knies, Lillgren, First round pick and cap dump not sure who

It would take less than 1 second for me to pass on that.

 

[The90]

What would the Leafs need to trade?

I would say Knies, Lillgren, First round pick and cap dump not sure who

Lol there’s no way. That’s a good start on a trade for chychrun. Not Ben chiarot and jake Allen (who I think is decent)

 

[The Price is Right]

What about Robertson instead of Knies

 

[Just a Fan]

What about Robertson instead of Knies

Still a quick no. No interest in Allen at all, and while a team may pay a 1st for Chiarot, I hope it isn’t Toronto.

 

[frederixx]

Allen is not the solution for the Leafs. If they don't get a true #1 (which Allen is not), it's not worth it. They won't beat Tampa/Florida/NC with their actual goalie or Allen

 

[seanlinden]

What about Robertson instead of Knies

Keep dreaming....

Value for Chiarot is probably a 2nd & a prospect excluding Niemla, Knies and Robertson.

Value for Allen probably less than that.

Maybe they do something along the lines of:
- Chiarot
- Allen

- Mrazek
- Toronto 2nd
- Dermott
- Prospect Excl those 3
- Conditional pick based on how far the Leafs go in the playoffs this year.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Allen's not an upgrade over what they currently have.

If the Leafs are going to acquire a goalie, it has to be someone that's a clear upgrade over their current duo, not just someone who is also a "backup who can play as a #1 for stretches".

 

[HuGort]

What would the Leafs need to trade?

I would say Knies, Lillgren, First round pick and cap dump not sure who

Leafs have real problems. Headed for another early exit. Could be end of Dubas/Keefe in Toronto. Chiarot and Allen doubt is enough. Leafs better off keeping their pick

 

[CDN24]

Keep dreaming....

Value for Chiarot is probably a 2nd & a prospect excluding Niemla, Knies and Robertson.

Value for Allen probably less than that.

Maybe they do something along the lines of:
- Chiarot
- Allen

- Mrazek
- Toronto 2nd
- Dermott
- Prospect Excl those 3
- Conditional pick based on how far the Leafs go in the playoffs this year.

Habs will say no to that. You are not going to find a goalie and a top 4 Dman for scraps.
Mrazek has no value right now- it may be negative
Dermott types are a dime a dozen- Habs have a bunch of those already
The prospect after you exclude the big 3 has little or no value so the only thing of value is a late 2nd.
Habs can get a late 2nd for Chiarot anywhere and might yet get a 1st.
Allen is under contract no need to trade him.

Chiarot and Allen will cost at a min
1st (preferably next year)
2nd
Mrazek as a dump. Add in a late round pick to retain on Chiarot

 

[seanlinden]

Habs will say no to that. You are not going to find a goalie and a top 4 Dman for scraps.
Mrazek has no value right now- it may be negative
Dermott types are a dime a dozen- Habs have a bunch of those already
The prospect after you exclude the big 3 has little or no value so the only thing of value is a late 2nd.
Habs can get a late 2nd for Chiarot anywhere and might yet get a 1st.
Allen is under contract no need to trade him.

Chiarot and Allen will cost at a min
1st (preferably next year)
2nd
Mrazek as a dump. Add in a late round pick to retain on Chiarot

Leafs will be perfectly fine with that.... like you seem to agree, Chiarot's worth a 2nd... maybe an extra asset depending on retention levels.

Allen's likely worth less... no reason to lump these 2 together.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Habs will say no to that. You are not going to find a goalie and a top 4 Dman for scraps.
Mrazek has no value right now- it may be negative
Dermott types are a dime a dozen- Habs have a bunch of those already
The prospect after you exclude the big 3 has little or no value so the only thing of value is a late 2nd.
Habs can get a late 2nd for Chiarot anywhere and might yet get a 1st.
Allen is under contract no need to trade him.

Chiarot and Allen will cost at a min
1st (preferably next year)
2nd
Mrazek as a dump. Add in a late round pick to retain on Chiarot

Your goalie isn't an upgrade and your d man would play 3rd pair when muzzin comes back. Neither move the needle to help the Leafs at all. Leafs need to go big or go home.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Keep dreaming....

Value for Chiarot is probably a 2nd & a prospect excluding Niemla, Knies and Robertson.

Value for Allen probably less than that.

Maybe they do something along the lines of:
- Chiarot
- Allen

- Mrazek
- Toronto 2nd
- Dermott
- Prospect Excl those 3
- Conditional pick based on how far the Leafs go in the playoffs this year.

That sucks as an offer

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Habs will say no to that. You are not going to find a goalie and a top 4 Dman for scraps.
Mrazek has no value right now- it may be negative
Dermott types are a dime a dozen- Habs have a bunch of those already
The prospect after you exclude the big 3 has little or no value so the only thing of value is a late 2nd.
Habs can get a late 2nd for Chiarot anywhere and might yet get a 1st.
Allen is under contract no need to trade him.

Chiarot and Allen will cost at a min
1st (preferably next year)
2nd
Mrazek as a dump. Add in a late round pick to retain on Chiarot

Your goalie isn't an upgrade and your d man would play 3rd pair when muzzin comes back. Neither move the needle to help the Leafs at all. Leafs need to go big or go home.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

rather see the leafs lose in the first round for another year

 

[De Montreal]

It would kill me to see us give the Leafs their first playoff win so I'd rather move them else where.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Keep dreaming....

Value for Chiarot is probably a 2nd & a prospect excluding Niemla, Knies and Robertson.

Value for Allen probably less than that.

Maybe they do something along the lines of:
- Chiarot
- Allen

- Mrazek
- Toronto 2nd
- Dermott
- Prospect Excl those 3
- Conditional pick based on how far the Leafs go in the playoffs this year.

You targeted an offer you think is way too much and then offered one that has too little which opens you to the same targeting nonsense

Good luck trying to move Mrazek. Worse back-up goalie contract in the NHL and two more years at $3.8M. Ouch! That's going to cost you to move it and clear cap. Reality.

Leafs fans can laugh all you want but Allen and Campbell are both fringe starter quality and likely starters on 5-10 NHL teams. With Allen, you basically get what you thought you were getting with Mrazek and a fraction of the cost. Habs can also offer retention on Allen to save you more cap space for next season when Rielly's new contract kicks in and when you really need cap space!

Regardless of this offer being good or not. Leafs have a major problem on their hands with Mrazek's term left. Good luck if you head into the playoffs with Campbell and Mrazek

 

[Just a Fan]

rather see the leafs lose in the first round for another year

Adding Allen and Chiarot certainly isn’t the difference maker….

 

[Suntouchable13]

It would kill me to see us give the Leafs their first playoff win so I'd rather move them else where.

Imagine thinking Allen and Chiarot are the difference between Leafs losing or winning. You guys want the moon for those guys, just be realistic for a second.

 

[BigHabs]

Your goalie isn't an upgrade and your d man would play 3rd pair when muzzin comes back. Neither move the needle to help the Leafs at all. Leafs need to go big or go home.

The good thing about Chiarot is he is capable of playing both sides of the ice.

I think he is exactly what the Leafs are lacking on the backend and the squad. Muscle that can chip in.

For some reason, putting all biases from each team aside for a moment.

I think a pairing of Muzzin and Chiarot. They would destroy and shut it down every night. Top PK unit too.

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Chiarot
Sandin Lybushkin
Holl Liljegren

This could allow them to focus on goaltending and maybe more depth up front.

The price I know would have to looked at but Chiarot is what the Leafs are looking for. Him or Manson.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

The good thing about Chiarot is he is capable of playing both sides of the ice.

I think he is exactly what the Leafs are lacking on the backend and the squad. Muscle that can chip in.

For some reason, putting all biases from each team aside for a moment.

I think a pairing of Muzzin and Chiarot. They would destroy and shut it down every night. Top PK unit too.

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Chiarot
Sandin Holl
Liljegren

This could allow them to focus on goaltending and maybe more depth up front.

The price I know would have to looked at but Chiarot is what the Leafs are looking for. Him or Manson.

I actually like Chiarot as a player, with that being said if the leafs can't fix their goaltending adding Chiarot does nothing. I'd be fine with giving up a 2nd plus a young d like kral who has top 4 upside and has been progressing well for Chiarot.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Adding Allen and Chiarot certainly isn’t the difference maker….

your right Leafs can only win in the regular season

 

[Habs Halifax]

Your goalie isn't an upgrade and your d man would play 3rd pair when muzzin comes back. Neither move the needle to help the Leafs at all. Leafs need to go big or go home.

Aside from Fleury who don't want to play for the Leafs, who is better than Allen where you feel you can acquire for cheap where they take back Mrazek?

This is not a bad pitch from the Habs: Definitly a circumstantual offer you think is too high but it does help two areas where you also provides you cap space to make other moves.

I don't think this is a bad offer for the Leafs and what they need:
* Allen and Chiarot. 50% on Chiarot and TBD on Allen (depends on the prospect)
for
* Mrazek (cap dump... worse back-up contract in the NHL and for two more years)
* 2023 1st (top 10 protection)
* Prospect of value. Not someone who will likely bust.

With Mrazek offloaded and possible 50% retention on Allen, use your 2022 1st and Sandin to get JT Miller?
Bunting / Matthews / Marner
Miller / Tavares / Nylander
Kerfoot / Kampf / Mikheyev
Kase / Spezza / Simmonds

Rielly / Brodie
Muzzin / Chiarot
Dermott / Lyubushkin

Allen/Campbell

I bet you Allen, Chiarot, Miller help you go on a deep run. Allen could very well steal the job from Campbell where Miller makes your top 6 probably the best in the NHL and Chiarot with Muzzin is a darn good shutdown pairing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

your right Leafs can only win in the regular season

Muzzin gets hurt and they can barely win in the regular season. Then some Leafs fans say Muzzin sucks... probably stat watching like they are with Chiarot and Allen