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[Reclamation Project]

Let's get real, Vertseeg wouldn't have cracked 10 goals/50 gp.

Where can I go to see any King with inflated stats?

I'd really like to see that. seriously. Where is this happening?

???

 

[DryIslandBartender]

For people saying resign Iginla, would he succeed if we change our system to be faster and more offensive? Would he want to stay with Sutter gone?

Why would he come back to this dumpster fire? He wants to win a cup, and he could be heading back to Calgary.

 

[kings11]

Let's get real, Vertseeg wouldn't have cracked 10 goals/50 gp.



???

Im pretty confident he could have and now that we have a new coach and possibly a new system on the way.... well, he could have produced more than 10g/50gp...

 

[HookKing]

Interesting that San Jose is included as a "real contender" or it could be you trying to prove your point by including a team with a bunch of old guys.

Panarin is 25 for Chicago. Kane is better than any of the Kings players. Toews is arguable as well.

Crosby and Malkin are better than any of the Kings players.

I'm not saying the current core can't win another one, just saying that comparing Kopitar/Carter to Kane/Toews and Crosby/Malkin is not apples to apples.

So what you are saying is that in 1 year the Sharks core aged in dog years? The idea on this board that the Kings need to rebuild because the core is too old is idiotic. It isn't even feasible to start a rebuild because Kopitar has an NMC and Brown/Gaborik aren't tradeable. Its taken Edmonton 10 years to rebuild with all their number 1 picks in the draft. Columbus? just finishing their initial build. Let's see how long it takes Detroit.

In fact, if Blake has 1/2 a brain he will do the exact opposite and double down. He has to be willing to "lose" a trade and/or empty the picks/prospects cabinet if it makes the team better for the next few years. A great example of "losing" a trade was Larsson/Hall. He should also select a coach from outside the organization so roster potential can be examined with a more impartial perspective.

Priority one is to fix the too many left-handers on D. Think Amart + whatever to get a top 4 RH puckmover. Then they can pair Muzzin back with Doughty and the new guy with Forbort. Just breaking up Muzzin/Martinez alone will save tons of goals.

Priority two is a 3rd line center. Dowd and Kempe have promise but neither will be anywhere near good enough offensively much less defensively for a cup contender anytime soon.

Priority three is fiddling around with the wingers.

Priority four is back up goaltender.

Moreover, the team has to expect Kopitar/Toffoli/Muzzin will return their games to something resembling normal (Quick should be just fine). Lastly, DD needs to up his game, as good as he is he's no better than he was 5 years ago. He's hit his prime now and he has another level to reach.

 

[Winger23]

So what you are saying is that in 1 year the Sharks core aged in dog years? The idea on this board that the Kings need to rebuild because the core is too old is idiotic. It isn't even feasible to start a rebuild because Kopitar has an NMC and Brown/Gaborik aren't tradeable. Its taken Edmonton 10 years to rebuild with all their number 1 picks in the draft. Columbus? just finishing their initial build. Let's see how long it takes Detroit.

In fact, if Blake has 1/2 a brain he will do the exact opposite and double down. He has to be willing to "lose" a trade and/or empty the picks/prospects cabinet if it makes the team better for the next few years. A great example of "losing" a trade was Larsson/Hall. He should also select a coach from outside the organization so roster potential can be examined with a more impartial perspective.

Priority one is to fix the too many left-handers on D. Think Amart + whatever to get a top 4 RH puckmover. Then they can pair Muzzin back with Doughty and the new guy with Forbort. Just breaking up Muzzin/Martinez alone will save tons of goals.

Priority two is a 3rd line center. Dowd and Kempe have promise but neither will be anywhere near good enough offensively much less defensively for a cup contender anytime soon.

Priority three is fiddling around with the wingers.

Priority four is back up goaltender.

Moreover, the team has to expect Kopitar/Toffoli/Muzzin will return their games to something resembling normal (Quick should be just fine). Lastly, DD needs to up his game, as good as he is he's no better than he was 5 years ago. He's hit his prime now and he has another level to reach.

Imo Priority one is to dump the crap and get someone who knows how to actually put the puck in the net. They were 5th in gaa, I personally don't think the left handed issue is a huge issue with all the other fixes needed.

 

[kings11]

So what you are saying is that in 1 year the Sharks core aged in dog years? The idea on this board that the Kings need to rebuild because the core is too old is idiotic. It isn't even feasible to start a rebuild because Kopitar has an NMC and Brown/Gaborik aren't tradeable. Its taken Edmonton 10 years to rebuild with all their number 1 picks in the draft. Columbus? just finishing their initial build. Let's see how long it takes Detroit.

In fact, if Blake has 1/2 a brain he will do the exact opposite and double down. He has to be willing to "lose" a trade and/or empty the picks/prospects cabinet if it makes the team better for the next few years. A great example of "losing" a trade was Larsson/Hall. He should also select a coach from outside the organization so roster potential can be examined with a more impartial perspective.

Priority one is to fix the too many left-handers on D. Think Amart + whatever to get a top 4 RH puckmover. Then they can pair Muzzin back with Doughty and the new guy with Forbort. Just breaking up Muzzin/Martinez alone will save tons of goals.

Priority two is a 3rd line center. Dowd and Kempe have promise but neither will be anywhere near good enough offensively much less defensively for a cup contender anytime soon.

Priority three is fiddling around with the wingers.

Priority four is back up goaltender.

Moreover, the team has to expect Kopitar/Toffoli/Muzzin will return their games to something resembling normal (Quick should be just fine). Lastly, DD needs to up his game, as good as he is he's no better than he was 5 years ago. He's hit his prime now and he has another level to reach.

I know I'm probably on everyone's nerves because i keep bringing it up, but what about..
Nikolai Prokhorkin
Dominik Kubalik
Alexander Dergachyov
all guys that can either help or help replenish our farm... I'd rather pay these kids and guarantee a few bottom 6 spots than overpay on the UFA market and get saddled with another bloated contract..

 

[kings11]

At the end of the day what are we really losing?????

 

[HookKing]

Imo Priority one is to dump the crap and get someone who knows how to actually put the puck in the net. They were 5th in gaa, I personally don't think the left handed issue is a huge issue with all the other fixes needed.

Two of your best goal scores were mia (Kopitar/Toffoli) getting those two back on track is the best medicine for improving the offense. In addition, just fixing the pp will add more goals. Just because the D was good overall this year that doesn't mean it can't be improved significantly. The Kings have tons of D and need to re-arrange some of it to get even better. Amart is overpaid playing bottom pair and he's stretch as a top 4 and a disaster on the right side.

 

[Fat Elvis]

I know I'm probably on everyone's nerves because i keep bringing it up, but what about..
Nikolai Prokhorkin
Dominik Kubalik
Alexander Dergachyov
all guys that can either help or help replenish our farm... I'd rather pay these kids and guarantee a few bottom 6 spots than overpay on the UFA market and get saddled with another bloated contract..

Aren't Prokhorkin and AD signed for another year in the KHL?
Does Kubalik want to play in NA?
Dergachyov hasn't really played the last 2 seasons, so he's most likely behind on the development curve.

Too many ?'s to put much weight on these 3 being answers to our goal scoring issues.

 

[Keith Sweaty]

Good riddance to the guy that gave 2 2nds for Dan Cloutier.

LMFAO.

Amazing troll response.

 

[CowMix]

Many here were advocating such a move. Which still boggles my mind. Carter is probably our most skilled offensive player

Its not a bad move if you want to rebuild because Carter has just come off a great season but this team was never going to rebuild so I'm not sure what they were expecting.

 

[HookKing]

Aren't Prokhorkin and AD signed for another year in the KHL?
Does Kubalik want to play in NA?
Dergachyov hasn't really played the last 2 seasons, so he's most likely behind on the development curve.

Too many ?'s to put much weight on these 3 being answers to our goal scoring issues.

Why does my cynical side believe our Russian picks are beating down the door to play here becasue Frolov and Voynov have been singing to them the praises of playing in LA.

 

[kings11]

Why does my cynical side believe our Russian picks are beating down the door to play here becasue Frolov and Voynov have been singing to them the praises of playing in LA.

they wanted a guaranteed spot on the roster regardless of placement, DL said no so they stayed but the reality is they're the type of talents we need and should take a risk on.... We can't afford to be stuck with another over priced player...

 

[Kingsfan1]

How would everyone feel about Tippett being coach ?

 

[kingsholygrail]

they wanted a guaranteed spot on the roster regardless of placement, DL said no so they stayed but the reality is they're the type of talents we need and should take a risk on.... We can't afford to be stuck with another over priced player...

So you want to bring back an over-the-hill forward and a wife beater?

 

[Fat Elvis]

they wanted a guaranteed spot on the roster regardless of placement, DL said no so they stayed but the reality is they're the type of talents we need and should take a risk on.... We can't afford to be stuck with another over priced player...

You're under the assumption that they'd sign for cheap. All 3 are making decent scratch playing in they home country. There's risk in penciling any of these 3 into the lineup. Clifford is probably better than them.

 

[KingsFan7824]

They basically need a plan to win in the next 2 years before Doughty requires a new deal, whether he stays or goes. Especially if they buy Gaborik out, and his dead cap space triples, at the same time as Doughty's contract expires, and who knows what the league's cap situation is by then.

If you're cleaning house in management, and not trading any of the core players, there's only one option, and that's going for it now. What happens in the summer of 2019, that would have to get dealt with the closer that day comes, not worried about today.

Not much in free agency on defense, but they seem ok there. A few guys out there up front, but you figure some young guys from Ontario will get the chance. Free agency is for filling in specific holes, so you want to be as efficient as possible.

 

[BigKing]

So what you are saying is that in 1 year the Sharks core aged in dog years? The idea on this board that the Kings need to rebuild because the core is too old is idiotic. It isn't even feasible to start a rebuild because Kopitar has an NMC and Brown/Gaborik aren't tradeable. Its taken Edmonton 10 years to rebuild with all their number 1 picks in the draft. Columbus? just finishing their initial build. Let's see how long it takes Detroit.

In fact, if Blake has 1/2 a brain he will do the exact opposite and double down. He has to be willing to "lose" a trade and/or empty the picks/prospects cabinet if it makes the team better for the next few years. A great example of "losing" a trade was Larsson/Hall. He should also select a coach from outside the organization so roster potential can be examined with a more impartial perspective.

Priority one is to fix the too many left-handers on D. Think Amart + whatever to get a top 4 RH puckmover. Then they can pair Muzzin back with Doughty and the new guy with Forbort. Just breaking up Muzzin/Martinez alone will save tons of goals.

Priority two is a 3rd line center. Dowd and Kempe have promise but neither will be anywhere near good enough offensively much less defensively for a cup contender anytime soon.

Priority three is fiddling around with the wingers.

Priority four is back up goaltender.

Moreover, the team has to expect Kopitar/Toffoli/Muzzin will return their games to something resembling normal (Quick should be just fine). Lastly, DD needs to up his game, as good as he is he's no better than he was 5 years ago. He's hit his prime now and he has another level to reach.

I'm saying that OP cherry-picked San Jose as a "real" contender to try to prove his point when San Jose is a middle-of-the-road playoff team at best. They made the playoffs so anything can happen, but the team with Thornton and Marleau was listed as a favorite and first on the list because of the respective age of these two losers.

I also said in my reply that I'm not saying the current Kings core can't win another one: was simply pointing out a flawed argument, or at least flawed supporting evidence for an argument.

The Kings current core can still win another title but they need a lot of cheap help. It's going to take current prospects outplaying expectations (per scouting reports and not the "everyone is 15-20 goals or a Top 4 d-man) and some special moves from Blake.

K17 isn't necessarily saying that the current core can't win another title, it's more that the cavalry they need to arrive isn't going to materialize in time for the current core to pull it off due to their age and, in Doughty's case, an imminent raise.

It's a valid argument for those on both sides of the fence. We all need to get used to it too because it will be a theme of the summer.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

 

[kings11]

You're under the assumption that they'd sign for cheap. All 3 are making decent scratch playing in they home country. There's risk in penciling any of these 3 into the lineup. Clifford is probably better than them.

only Prokhorkin makes over a mill

 

[BigKing]

Stevens handles the defense and Ranford the goalies, right?

Seems like they will want to keep them from Blake's comments today.

What did Payne do? PP?

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Stevens handles the defense and Ranford the goalies, right?

Seems like they will want to keep them from Blake's comments today.

What did Payne do? PP?

Yeah, Payne was the PP coach.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Would be nice if the NHL allowed teams to use an amnesty buyout every off-season, or one every two years or what have you.

In addition to missing the playoffs twice in three years (and going out on a whimper last year), I think the dire cap situation is a big reason why the decision to remove Lombardi was made. When you add up all of his mistakes since the summer of 2014, it just kept snowballing into a mountain of problems.

Now you're stuck with some dead cap space from the whole Mike Richards fiasco, Matt Greene is still signed for another year at $2.5M, and he might just be placed on LTIR. They have to make a decision with Marian Gaborik, but whatever option they go with will cost them in the form of assets (if he is dealt) or cap space (if bought out or simply brought back).

These mistakes will make it extra challenging to retain Pearson and Toffoli while also having cap flexibility at the same time. Stan Bowman demonstrated his ability to make difficult decisions, and look at how his team has not missed a beat. Lombardi wasn't able to do the same, hence his removal from the organization.

I welcome these changes with open arms. I'm not going to be critical or judgmental of Blake and Luc before they've even made their first transaction. We can discuss these changes after a year, when we see how the players respond and what the on-ice product looks like once they've instilled a new coach, a new system, and a new philosophy.

 

[kings11]

I'm saying that OP cherry-picked San Jose as a "real" contender to try to prove his point when San Jose is a middle-of-the-road playoff team at best. They made the playoffs so anything can happen, but the team with Thornton and Marleau was listed as a favorite and first on the list because of the respective age of these two losers.

I also said in my reply that I'm not saying the current Kings core can't win another one: was simply pointing out a flawed argument, or at least flawed supporting evidence for an argument.

The Kings current core can still win another title but they need a lot of cheap help. It's going to take current prospects outplaying expectations (per scouting reports and not the "everyone is 15-20 goals or a Top 4 d-man) and some special moves from Blake.

K17 isn't necessarily saying that the current core can't win another title, it's more that the cavalry they need to arrive isn't going to materialize in time for the current core to pull it off due to their age and, in Doughty's case, an imminent raise.

It's a valid argument for those on both sides of the fence. We all need to get used to it too because it will be a theme of the summer.

I didnt cherry pick BK, i just pointed out that recent teams that have won the CUP have a mature core

 

[BigKing]

I didnt cherry pick BK, i just pointed out that recent teams that have won the CUP have a mature core

So, again, San Jose should not be listed if that is the case.

I'm not arguing that the ages of Kopitar/Quick/Carter/Doughty exclude them from winning another Cup: just the use of San Jose as a "real contender".

Last year was their best shot, in my opinion, and they missed it.

Of course, I can't see the future so who knows, right? I just don't think they should be used as an example since they've never won one and most likely won't win this year either.