I wouldn't say bigs are overrated anymore, especially given the rise of Nikola Jokic and Joel Embiid as both of them have become two of the most dominant players in the game. I just think the bigs the Celtics have are satisfactory. The issue is Marcus Smart. He's playing too much hero ball.
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I wouldn't say bigs are overrated anymore, especially given the rise of Nikola Jokic and Joel Embiid as both of them have become two of the most dominant players in the game. I just think the bigs the Celtics have are satisfactory. The issue is Marcus Smart. He's playing too much hero ball.
you were the one who said he has won nothing compared to the celtics team,,,,so if you don't want him thats fine.....let's hear who you want instead then....how do you fix this mess
I completely agree about Smart....problem is our style....Al is another 3 point guy and when our shots are missing we don't have a down low scorer (except lobs to Rob) that can carry us through when the 3s don't fall
Also when Tatum and Brown drive, how many times do they turn it over or get it stolen....they look like they make it very difficult while players like Butler for whatever reason get a lot of easy shots (maybe because of our play ground D)
EverettMike
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I don't think it's "a mess" so I'm not offering up any players. I'm okay with a big move and I'm okay with no big move. In the meantime I have no problem responding to specific ideas others have.
You asked for thoughts on your suggestion, but don't seem to like people saying it's a bad idea. But it's a bad idea. Really bad.
Mr Cartmenez
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People now tend to overreact and want to trade Brown for players from teams where the grass is greener. KAT is such a case, he wouldn't really give the Celtics anything they haven't had before. You could even make the case that Brown is better than most players his age.
Remember: Brown was our best player in the finals last year while Tatum choked. And it's not like Tatum has been miles better than Brown this post-season.
Listen, Brown may not be the best bet to bring this team the next title as a #2, but sometimes you have to play the hand that's been dealt. While I am a trade-happy person, sometimes less is more. A team like Philly has been so trigger happy over the past several years that they made their team worse during that process. Imagine where they could be today had they kept Butler.
Again, I am not the biggest fan of Brown, but I am not going to trade a top 15 wing-player for a soft big like KAT or a no D chucker like Trae. If I trade him, it's exclusively for Durant, Kawhi or maybe (big MAYBE) Lillard. Anything else is lateral at best, but more likely makes them worse. And if it's for a package with a high pick included (like #3 from Portland), Tatum will demand a trade.
Players I want gone:
1. Brogdon - biggest disappointment even before the ECF in which he was, despite being a know-it-all, unwilling to accept that he hurts the team when he plays with his injured hand. His defense is atrocious. He HAS to go in my opinion.
2. Smart - I actually don't dislike Smart, it's just that his role on the team is bigger than it should be. If he was willing to take a step back and accept a lesser role, I am fine with them keeping him. But as long as he's that "team goes as I go" and last second shot taker, I want him off the team.
Other players to a lesser degree. Someone I can imagine trading is Rob Williams. I like him and think he's a good guy, but he's way too fragile. If someone else loves him and was willing to overpay, I'd probably do it and turn around and get a big like Poeltl or Miles Turner.
Remember: Brown was our best player in the finals last year while Tatum choked. And it's not like Tatum has been miles better than Brown this post-season.
Listen, Brown may not be the best bet to bring this team the next title as a #2, but sometimes you have to play the hand that's been dealt. While I am a trade-happy person, sometimes less is more. A team like Philly has been so trigger happy over the past several years that they made their team worse during that process. Imagine where they could be today had they kept Butler.
Again, I am not the biggest fan of Brown, but I am not going to trade a top 15 wing-player for a soft big like KAT or a no D chucker like Trae. If I trade him, it's exclusively for Durant, Kawhi or maybe (big MAYBE) Lillard. Anything else is lateral at best, but more likely makes them worse. And if it's for a package with a high pick included (like #3 from Portland), Tatum will demand a trade.
Players I want gone:
1. Brogdon - biggest disappointment even before the ECF in which he was, despite being a know-it-all, unwilling to accept that he hurts the team when he plays with his injured hand. His defense is atrocious. He HAS to go in my opinion.
2. Smart - I actually don't dislike Smart, it's just that his role on the team is bigger than it should be. If he was willing to take a step back and accept a lesser role, I am fine with them keeping him. But as long as he's that "team goes as I go" and last second shot taker, I want him off the team.
Other players to a lesser degree. Someone I can imagine trading is Rob Williams. I like him and think he's a good guy, but he's way too fragile. If someone else loves him and was willing to overpay, I'd probably do it and turn around and get a big like Poeltl or Miles Turner.
i for sure wouldn’t move on from Rob Williams to go get Myles Turner, a guy who Joel Embiid publicly mocks and has in his back pocket. He’s also not all that much healthier of a guy than Timelord, he is injury prone in his own right
I’m also not going to get mad at a guy for trying to compete through an injury. Tatum and Timelord were doing the same thing. Blame Joe for leaving Brogdon out there for too long if you want to blame anybody.
I’m also not going to get mad at a guy for trying to compete through an injury. Tatum and Timelord were doing the same thing. Blame Joe for leaving Brogdon out there for too long if you want to blame anybody.
The whole team (well Smart, Brown, Tatum) do nothing but play hero ball. Tatum and Brown are just better at it than Smart. In general it just doesn't feel like they have a plan on offense half the time other than one of the 3 playing hero ball/maybe kick it out for the 3.
I'm torn on Smart. He is the heart of the team, he has attitude others lack, but he flops like a Hab, and really makes a lot of bad decisions, and he seems to have already started his decline.
Mr Cartmenez
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These were just some placeholder names, doesn't have to be necessarily Turner. You can also add Collins and Allen to the list. The issue with Rob is first and foremost the availability. The offense hasn't progressed and it feels like he wasn't as great on D compared to last year. Injuries may take a toll on his defensive abilities in the long run.
Of course I blame Brogdon, he always acts like he's smarter than the coach and everyone else. But that obviously only goes when it's to judge others and not yourself. He could have told Mazzula that he's not ready for game 7.
“He always acts like he’s smarter than the coach”
Why? Because he pointed out that they had lost their defensive identity after game 3? Weird gripe
BigBadBruins7708
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This team (especially Tatum and Brown) is dying for a Rondo type PG. Someone to control the floor and is an elite distributor not looking to be a scorer.
Jay King and Jared Weiss wrote something on the Celtics season for the Athletic
Players like Mazzulla but disagreed with his offense first philosophy and think he prioritized it too much when defense is what got them to the finals last year. Brogdon, Tatum and Smart all emphasized that everything for the team starts with defense
The players were sometimes unsure about defensive coverages coming out of timeouts and players like Smart, Griffin and Grant Williams helped the players as they were walking back onto the court
Mazzulla wanted to play Hauser more in the lead up to the playoffs with Grant playing less but the vets disagreed and went to Mazzulla to change it
Payton Pritchard wants to be traded
Celtics are expected to add at least one assistant who used to be a head coach.
Celtics have 12 months before they have to commit to a direction because of the new cba and if they can afford their expensive depth at the cost of most flexibility in roster building
Players like Mazzulla but disagreed with his offense first philosophy and think he prioritized it too much when defense is what got them to the finals last year. Brogdon, Tatum and Smart all emphasized that everything for the team starts with defense
The players were sometimes unsure about defensive coverages coming out of timeouts and players like Smart, Griffin and Grant Williams helped the players as they were walking back onto the court
Mazzulla wanted to play Hauser more in the lead up to the playoffs with Grant playing less but the vets disagreed and went to Mazzulla to change it
Payton Pritchard wants to be traded
Celtics are expected to add at least one assistant who used to be a head coach.
Celtics have 12 months before they have to commit to a direction because of the new cba and if they can afford their expensive depth at the cost of most flexibility in roster building
lextune
I'm too old for this.
Just watched Stevens' end of season presser.
Safe to say Mazzulla is not going anywhere.
Rules prevent him from talking about contract details right now but:
"I can say without a doubt we want Jaylen to be here."
-Stevens
Brown will get the supermax, and we'll have two more years at least to try and win with him and Tatum.
A bunch of the press conference was gross. "We were 48 minutes from the Finals."
*puke*
Safe to say Mazzulla is not going anywhere.
Rules prevent him from talking about contract details right now but:
"I can say without a doubt we want Jaylen to be here."
-Stevens
Brown will get the supermax, and we'll have two more years at least to try and win with him and Tatum.
A bunch of the press conference was gross. "We were 48 minutes from the Finals."
*puke*
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lextune
I'm too old for this.
Tatum's handle is good, especially for a guy his size, his turnovers seem more mental, (yips/chokes). I also feel that Tatum was better than last year, (in regards to turnovers).
Brown's handle on the other hand is outright bad. Far below where it should/could be, and just as bad as last year.
McGarnagle
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PatriceBergeron
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The thing to remember is that this is just the year that Brown becomes eligible for the super max, that contract doesn’t kick in next year.
So the first year that both Brown and Tatum would be on super max contracts would be the 2025-2026 season.
They have time to take a couple more shots with this core before deciding to shake it up. The best plan is to keep the roster mostly in tact, fire mazzulla if things aren’t looking good, and try to win a championship in the next 2 years. If it doesn’t happen make a decision then.
So the first year that both Brown and Tatum would be on super max contracts would be the 2025-2026 season.
They have time to take a couple more shots with this core before deciding to shake it up. The best plan is to keep the roster mostly in tact, fire mazzulla if things aren’t looking good, and try to win a championship in the next 2 years. If it doesn’t happen make a decision then.
DangleCity
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The coach is such an easy target. They've had the same issues for years now with 3 different coaches
PatriceBergeron
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You just knew the Miami role players were going to go back to looking like scrubs once they played someone else.
Martin and Strus 0-12 bricking wide open 3s
Martin and Strus 0-12 bricking wide open 3s
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Denver are just a awful matchup for the Heat. They are going to run the Heats one dimensional shooters off the 3 point line which the Celtics didn't do enough and would have won the series if they consistently did. Heat deserve credit if this goes more than 5 because i expect this to be a uncompetitive sweep or 5 games series.
KrejciMVP
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Great article about the Celtics this morning 6/2 in the Athetic about Wyc saying "play with some balls" after 0-3 against Miami and what went wrong.
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Mr Cartmenez
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Of course Caleb Martin turns back into a pumpkin immediately after playing like an All Star for 7 games against the Celtics.
I am rooting for the better team, which clearly is Denver. Miami has absolutely gotten everything out of their team, but in no way shape or form should this be a finalist, let alone finals-winner.
I am rooting for the better team, which clearly is Denver. Miami has absolutely gotten everything out of their team, but in no way shape or form should this be a finalist, let alone finals-winner.
KrejciMVP
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denver making this a simple walk in the park makes me want to trade everyone. heck the celtics would have lost to a final 4 team they are that terrified of the moment
BigBadBruins7708
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Jokic is such a force out there, and fun to watch. He's a throwback player in a world of "jack up the 3" basketball and dominating because of it.
Midship
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Same, Celtics are a bunch of p****es with zero mental fortitude.
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