Only shocking thing was that Matt Ward was not tossed as well.
Referee was very consistent.
BAD!
But what you get when you have one referee.
Really don't get why one referee,
Maybe when the tier2 league starts they can groom better officials
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Only shocking thing was that Matt Ward was not tossed as well.
Referee was very consistent.
BAD!
But what you get when you have one referee.
Really don't get why one referee,
Maybe when the tier2 league starts they can groom better officials
As far as i know from a few chats with refs it's a matter of the ottawa teams not wanting to pay an extra few hundred dollars a month to up the amount of games refs are available for.
In discussion I had with the team staff I know most teams prefer one ref to two, and IMO they are correct, games with one ref tend to be betterofficiated. When you have two refs there is no consistency and way too many penalties. I personally prefer the 3 man system to 4 man any day of the week.
Canadian91
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You really have no idea what you're talking about. The league has nothing to do with the development of refs... the new tier 2 league can't and won't change anything.
Glad that Clarke got the gate, I find that most refs just tend to put up with him and as a result he isn't taught to behave himself. Whether the ref did a good or bad job, they shouldn't have to put up with abuse. From Clarke or anyone.
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Then how do you improve the reffing if you can't let it be known that you are dissatisfied with one's performance?
Pretty sure that if your quality of work suffers, you get reprimanded. If it gets really bad, you get fired.
Don't tell me they are just refs in a hockey game. If they weren't getting paid, I'd be the first one to say lay off but they are being paid quite well. Time to take responsibility for a poor performance.
Then how do you improve the reffing if you can't let it be known that you are dissatisfied with one's performance?
Pretty sure that if your quality of work suffers, you get reprimanded. If it gets really bad, you get fired.
Don't tell me they are just refs in a hockey game. If they weren't getting paid, I'd be the first one to say lay off but they are being paid quite well. Time to take responsibility for a poor performance.
I guess if screaming obscenities at an employee is your way doing performance reviews then I am glad I don't work for you. If I did, I am pretty sure you would get a big ole Johnny Paycheck from me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGoDtmTllg
Ref Bashing
Having enjoyed many CCHL games. What we see in the stands sometimes is quite different than an on ice perspective. Yes, the refs make mistakes. Jr A is a fast game! Sometimes it's where your focus is versus the refs. Overall, removing the human biases we all have these guys are doing a pretty good job, the vast majority of the time. As they say "if you're a chronic complainer, why not get certified and we'll see you on the ice.
No, I have nor do I know any Refs. Just my perspective.
Having enjoyed many CCHL games. What we see in the stands sometimes is quite different than an on ice perspective. Yes, the refs make mistakes. Jr A is a fast game! Sometimes it's where your focus is versus the refs. Overall, removing the human biases we all have these guys are doing a pretty good job, the vast majority of the time. As they say "if you're a chronic complainer, why not get certified and we'll see you on the ice.
No, I have nor do I know any Refs. Just my perspective.
I never said you should scream obscenities at the refs. You are mistaking what I said with what Clarke did. I don't condone that either.
How would you improve it or at least monitor someone who is criticized often?
Referee's that are certified by HC have to go through yearly training (improve) and are supervised often (monitor and improve).
There are some truly horrific reff's out there and as a coach I am not clean on this one when it come's to how they are treated. But I do believe that regardless of the fact thy are paid they are still "amateur" referee's and likely do not make their living doing this.
And associations, districts and leagues do control what reff's they wish to employ. If someone is bad enough they simply get dropped from the rotation.
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CCHL Prospect Watch: Corey Tam of the Nepean Raiders
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connor macdavid
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Watched Nepean-Pembroke tonight at the Stevie Y. All I can say is damn, it's amazing what two years can do to an organization.
Nepean looked disinterested, disengaged, and quite frankly bad. There were about fifty people in the stands.
That top pairing of Malinowski and (especially) Ford was sliced to bits, as they have been all five times I've watched the Raiders this season.
Pembroke looked really good, but it might just have been that the Raiders were that bad. Three first period power plays amounted to two shots on Piccolino for Nepean, TWO!
8-2 final probably flattered Nepean. Defence was terrible, puck management was awful - there's no way this team wins a playoff game, let alone a playoff series. Feel terribly for the two goaltenders, Marotte and Gilmer, who are doing everything they can to try and win games for this team.
Nepean looked disinterested, disengaged, and quite frankly bad. There were about fifty people in the stands.
That top pairing of Malinowski and (especially) Ford was sliced to bits, as they have been all five times I've watched the Raiders this season.
Pembroke looked really good, but it might just have been that the Raiders were that bad. Three first period power plays amounted to two shots on Piccolino for Nepean, TWO!
8-2 final probably flattered Nepean. Defence was terrible, puck management was awful - there's no way this team wins a playoff game, let alone a playoff series. Feel terribly for the two goaltenders, Marotte and Gilmer, who are doing everything they can to try and win games for this team.
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We all know its suppose to work that way but bad refs keep showing up. They can't afford to drop them.
Writing a letter to the referees assoc doesn't work, I tried it. That ref got promoted to JR A.
So I'll ask again. How do we improve the officiating?
My idea: keep 2 ref system but put the second ref in the stands for a better view. Can communicate with headset. I've reffed many games and sometimes we are too close to catch everything.
Interesting idea but you are treating the symptom, not the disease. We need to develop a larger, better pool of referee's from Minor on up. I always find it funny that we only use a two man system in Minor (Peewee and Below) to save money. And then we complain we are short reff's in Midget. We also don't do any studies on how many quit and why.
There is a lot that can be done, but it will take years to make a difference in my opinion.
Wheels seemed to have fallen off in Smiths Falls. 4 wins and 13 losses since the New Year. Is Grady done there at the end of the year? Or is his cosy relationship with ownership make him teflon?
Tough to pin all of this on the coach when you take into consideration all that has gone on with this team. Plus the fact they have lost a lot of offence in the past 6-8 weeks as well and really other than the pounding they took in Pembroke a week ago they are in every game, but averaging 2 goals a game over the past 10 makes it tough to win.
Man that is harsh given what that team has been through.
And add the loss of McCartney and Groulx...they were doomed from there on out.
PLK vs OJS game today
Anyone know why today's game is apparently being held at the old Rockland arena (Jean-Marc Lalonde arena) according to the pre-game notes, rather than the new Rockland CIHA arena that is indicated on the schedule on Pointstreak?
Anyone know why today's game is apparently being held at the old Rockland arena (Jean-Marc Lalonde arena) according to the pre-game notes, rather than the new Rockland CIHA arena that is indicated on the schedule on Pointstreak?
What too soon?
Watched the last two games, it seems like no one is even trying anymore. 4W-15L as of last night with an average of 2GF and 4GA over that period. Losing key players is very difficult and all teams have to deal with it. They are not even really competing against the weakest teams. You can't tell me the difference between SMF in late November and Kanata of today was just Groulx, Doef, and McCartney.
And actually, I don't disagree with your overall rebuttal. In their strong run earlier in the season, they were getting close to 2/3's of their offensive output from one line. But who is ultimately responsible for building a team that was so lopsided in balance. If Groulx stayed and the tragedy never beset Doef, I think the team would be in the hunt, and people would be saying that Grady is one of the better coaches in the league.
good coaches find a way to inspire their teams
There are no excuses really...other then maybe poor decisions at the deadline to not pick up a few pieces as bandaids
Losing two games vs kanata and so many as of late is embarrassing
People on here were tearing apart kanata for months and this is no different now
Unfortunate that its happened however SF didn't help themselves after the fact
How about my Braves though?
Coming on strong just in time
There are no excuses really...other then maybe poor decisions at the deadline to not pick up a few pieces as bandaids
Losing two games vs kanata and so many as of late is embarrassing
People on here were tearing apart kanata for months and this is no different now
Unfortunate that its happened however SF didn't help themselves after the fact
How about my Braves though?
Coming on strong just in time
Canadian91
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I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there's been a wave of new officials coming up the ranks in the last few years that are now joining junior. Kind of a "youth movement" if you want to call it that.
So you're going to see a lot of newer guys in the next few years.
As for improving officiating, there are supervisors in the stands doing just that. Not only are they improving them, but they know what to actually correct, unlike the fans in the stands. Believe it or not, there's more to officiating than just the penalty calls that everyone loses their minds over.
If your complaint wasn't listened to, that means it wasn't a good complaint. Pretty simple. If the league gets a complaint that's legitimate, they're not just going to ignore it.
The larger problem isn't improving officiating, it's educating the fans, parents and coaches on what makes a good and bad referee. For the most part, the guys in junior are pretty flawless, so you aren't gonna find much to improve on. Just like the players, there's a reason why they're there.
Canadian91
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And just to touch on the play of Smiths Falls, I can't really blame them given what has gone on with the team. But I just don't see any efforts to improve the mood of the team on the bench. There's almost no coaching going on during the game, or motivation. I doubt that this is the case away from the ice surface, but I have to think that this plays into the fact that they're struggling in games.
Can you explain that comment and provide some background as I don't agree. Yes HEO owns refereeing across the branch but the league gets to hire who they want, as long as they are certified within the branch.
