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BackBringCam

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What I mean is Kevin Abrahms (IE the CCHL) has no disciplinary powers over he officiating. I'd imagine they could say to HEO for example "Hey no more Loney he's an arrogant littel weasle..." but with the lack of quality officials,what doe HEO have to offer up in return for no bringing him back next season?

As painful as the reffing is night in and night out, league has little recourse with the resources available to them
 

valleydude

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BackBringCam said:
What I mean is Kevin Abrahms (IE the CCHL) has no disciplinary powers over he officiating. I'd imagine they could say to HEO for example "Hey no more Loney he's an arrogant littel weasle..." but with the lack of quality officials,what doe HEO have to offer up in return for no bringing him back next season?

As painful as the reffing is night in and night out, league has little recourse with the resources available to them
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Hmm. I still disagree. Reff's are certified by HEO but they don't decide who goes to work for each league. ?????
 

BackBringCam

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That's fine, disagree, I really didn't make a "point" that would require and agreement or otherwise, just stating what I have witnessed. Complain to the league, they tell you to chat with HEO Refs, it's true.
 

Gr8northscout

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I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there's been a wave of new officials coming up the ranks in the last few years that are now joining junior. Kind of a "youth movement" if you want to call it that.

So you're going to see a lot of newer guys in the next few years.

As for improving officiating, there are supervisors in the stands doing just that. Not only are they improving them, but they know what to actually correct, unlike the fans in the stands. Believe it or not, there's more to officiating than just the penalty calls that everyone loses their minds over.

If your complaint wasn't listened to, that means it wasn't a good complaint. Pretty simple. If the league gets a complaint that's legitimate, they're not just going to ignore it.

The larger problem isn't improving officiating, it's educating the fans, parents and coaches on what makes a good and bad referee. For the most part, the guys in junior are pretty flawless, so you aren't gonna find much to improve on. Just like the players, there's a reason why they're there.
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You don't think that its a big fraternity and they would protect their own now do ya?

Do you drink while you type because that's preposterous!!
 

BackBringCam

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Problem with refs at all levels, when it comes to coaches/players getting tossed out of the game, regardless of what led to the "infraction', they get to go to the ref room with their two "witnesses" (lineys) pull out the rule book, then collaborate together what happened (by the letter of the rule book) onto the back of the games sheet. Whether or not the league or conveners are getting what really happened or what was "supposed to happen remains to be seen. This IMO is a ridiculous system because they are never wrong obviously as they have this private time to tell their side of the situation which is taken as gospel.

In my experience, the best refs are the ones who have people skills, chat and joke with coaches and players, not arrogance. They F up (as everyone does), they quickly admit to it, amazing how quickly this de-escalates a situation with most coaches as well as garners respect.
 

Gr8northscout

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BackBringCam said:
Problem with refs at all levels, when it comes to coaches/players getting tossed out of the game, regardless of what led to the "infraction', they get to go to the ref room with their two "witnesses" (lineys) pull out the rule book, then collaborate together what happened (by the letter of the rule book) onto the back of the games sheet. Whether or not the league or conveners are getting what really happened or what was "supposed to happen remains to be seen. This IMO is a ridiculous system because they are never wrong obviously as they have this private time to tell their side of the situation which is taken as gospel.

In my experience, the best refs are the ones who have people skills, chat and joke with coaches and players, not arrogance. They F up (as everyone does), they quickly admit to it, amazing how quickly this de-escalates a situation with most coaches as well as garners respect.[/QUOTE]

Well said. I'd like to add:
Game management is likely the most difficult skill to master for a ref. How well a game is managed in the first 10 minutes is crucial. If you let everything go in those first 10 minutes will make it difficult to apply the same rules latter on. Explaining a decision to a coach goes a long way too. If you didn't see something, there's no shame in saying so. Be humble, not arrogant.
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BackBringCam said:
FYI the league has no control on the refs, HEO runs them, complain to them
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Yeah that's my bad, by "the league" I meant HEO.

Also I'm pretty sure that the league has no say in who gets moved up to work junior. The refs get hired at the OHL/AHL/NHL level, but because the Junior A leagues fall under Hockey Canada I think it just comes down to getting moved up to the junior list by HEO's director of officiating.
 
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Gr8northscout said:
Well said. I'd like to add:
Game management is likely the most difficult skill to master for a ref. How well a game is managed in the first 10 minutes is crucial. If you let everything go in those first 10 minutes will make it difficult to apply the same rules latter on. Explaining a decision to a coach goes a long way too. If you didn't see something, there's no shame in saying so. Be humble, not arrogant.
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This is a very good point - refs get hammered in supervisions if they let everything go in the first two periods and then clamp down in the third. The big problem is consistency. Even then, one ref isn't going to see everything that happens so it's nearly impossible to call a consistent game... but most of the time they get pretty close.

I agree with the explanations to a coach - if a coach is being reasonable. If the coach is yelling and screaming across the ice, then there is absolutely no reason for the ref to go over there and get read the riot act for a difference of opinion. It's a two-way street, sometimes the ref comes off as arrogant but everyone leaves out the fact that they've been yelled at for the last two hours and probably aren't in the best mood. It's their job to act professionally but they're only human. Sometimes that's hard to do when everyone else in the arena is acting like they're 11 years old.
 

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We all get frustrated with officiating, unfortunately it is obviously a very tough job officiating because you rarely hear someone is a good official at any level. To a lot of us it seems clear cut from where we sit but the reality is most people judging are influence by the outcome they want ( I am one of the worst in this regard) you rarely hear the person on the positive end calls commenting that it was a bad call, it does happen but not very often. I don't think officials sit at home the day of a game thinking how can **** coach #%$^ tonight. I mean if you constantly berate an official it might happen I guess it could happen, but then what do you expect.

They will make mistakes and we will all do our yelling and cursing. But for me to getting on here and calling them weasels, fat or arrogant is just immature. Pick up a whistle and go out and try it let me know how it goes
 

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stickhandle said:
We all get frustrated with officiating, unfortunately it is obviously a very tough job officiating because you rarely hear someone is a good official at any level. To a lot of us it seems clear cut from where we sit but the reality is most people judging are influence by the outcome they want ( I am one of the worst in this regard) you rarely hear the person on the positive end calls commenting that it was a bad call, it does happen but not very often. I don't think officials sit at home the day of a game thinking how can **** coach #%$^ tonight. I mean if you constantly berate an official it might happen I guess it could happen, but then what do you expect.

They will make mistakes and we will all do our yelling and cursing. But for me to getting on here and calling them weasels, fat or arrogant is just immature. Pick up a whistle and go out and try it let me know how it goes
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Sounds like we concur it's a tough job! Thx's "stick". Moving forward.....Obviously
Cornwall will represent at the Fred Page who will be the other team from the CCHL?
 

ottawafan66

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evasive1 said:
Sounds like we concur it's a tough job! Thx's "stick". Moving forward.....Obviously
Cornwall will represent at the Fred Page who will be the other team from the CCHL?
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Lumber Kings or Canadians. Pembroke seems to be peaking at the right time (won of 9 of their last 10).
 

hawkeye guy

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League Awards

It's that time of year again. Here are my predictions:
MVP - Chamberlain - PLK
Goalie- Therien- CP
Sportsmanship- Billings- BRK
Rookie-Clark- CP
Defence- Michel- OTT
Top Grad- Chamberlain-PLK
Top Coach- Rick Dorval- HAW
Top GM- Henderson- HAW

If Hawks staff don't win I don't know, almost a 30 point jump and 7 spots in the standings. I hear a lot of Ottawa and PLK out there but their increase not significant compared to last season and they had most of their team return. Hawks did a great rebuild in one year.
Billings is a no brainer 4 Pims and 50 points. WOW!
The rest are debatable.
 

BackBringCam

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stickhandle said:
We all get frustrated with officiating, unfortunately it is obviously a very tough job officiating because you rarely hear someone is a good official at any level. To a lot of us it seems clear cut from where we sit but the reality is most people judging are influence by the outcome they want ( I am one of the worst in this regard) you rarely hear the person on the positive end calls commenting that it was a bad call, it does happen but not very often. I don't think officials sit at home the day of a game thinking how can **** coach #%$^ tonight. I mean if you constantly berate an official it might happen I guess it could happen, but then what do you expect.

They will make mistakes and we will all do our yelling and cursing. But for me to getting on here and calling them weasels, fat or arrogant is just immature. Pick up a whistle and go out and try it let me know how it goes
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If you re-read, nobody "called" them what you mention, it was all hypothetical, you have taken it out of context. You will notice it was mentioned and acknowledged that refs make mistakes, that is understood and conceeded here, but it is how they handle these errors, either blowing off players and coaches or saying "coach, I effed that one" Maybe you should get on a bench and see how far that sort of mutual respect goes, I agree far to many coaches, players and parents lose their sheet on refs, but the best refs (who are being paid) can de-escalate with honesty and a bit of humour. Not going to work with all hotheads (Thinking of Clark and a few others) but in general.
How do you know guys here have not ref'd before?
 

Mapleleafs1964

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With the season ending, can we say Kanata has been one of the worst teams in recent CCHL history ? The Johnston/O'Neill duo upfront and Langois/ Biller pairing on the back end are about the only close thing to quality players they have, with the rest of their roster just being nowhere close to Jr.A quality. Something has to change for next year, wouldn't be surprised if over 50% of the players don't return.
 

417hockey

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If they shouldn't be there then half of them not going back won't matter
The fact of the matter is that the issues are still present

Maybe with such a bad year the lasers will all be up for awards next year
Same as ricky Dorval vote a few comments ago
 
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Great battle hear at the Earl Armstrong Arena as the Rangers host the Grads, bitter rivalry battle for these two teams in the last home game of the season for the Rangers.
 

ORRT

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Grads no threat tonight vs Rangers. CP and Pembroke yet another crazy night.
 

dirk

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Predictions

wow..the silence has been deafening on this board!

I'll start it off..

Gloucester in 3

Nepean in 3…I know I know…but we have to have at least one bold prediction!
 
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