CCHL 2014-2015 season

xcross

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Kealey to Kanata

Admittedly I no absolutely nothing about the mindset of goaltenders, but I am wondering what this does to the confidence of the backup Wilson. I mean instead of being moved up the depth chart, the Lasers go out and get an untested goalie to be moved right in. I am surprised that the #3 goalie "in the system" wasn't given a shot before the move to acquire Kealey. Just thoughts that cross my mind when work is slow!
 

ottawafan66

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Admittedly I no absolutely nothing about the mindset of goaltenders, but I am wondering what this does to the confidence of the backup Wilson. I mean instead of being moved up the depth chart, the Lasers go out and get an untested goalie to be moved right in. I am surprised that the #3 goalie "in the system" wasn't given a shot before the move to acquire Kealey. Just thoughts that cross my mind when work is slow!

Wilson was always supposed to be the backup on this team and he really doesn't have much more experience than Kealey. He should be happy that he'll get to play at least half the games, probably more. And as for the #3 goalie in the system, if you mean St. Germain, I think he may have quit hockey.
 

hockeyonice

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Admittedly I no absolutely nothing about the mindset of goaltenders, but I am wondering what this does to the confidence of the backup Wilson. I mean instead of being moved up the depth chart, the Lasers go out and get an untested goalie to be moved right in. I am surprised that the #3 goalie "in the system" wasn't given a shot before the move to acquire Kealey. Just thoughts that cross my mind when work is slow!

lies from the management is probably the best explanation for the goalie situation in Kanata, the downfall continuing supposedly cobbold gone as well. skinner not being moved yet can only mean they are not going to be nice to him I'm sure theres a few ojhl teams as well looking for a top notch goalie. what is there plan anyone know? I doubt it because it is unthinkable this early in the season. but hence you look at the eojhl team manager affiliatted with and they are doing the exact same (selling off players)
brings up lots of questions ???????? what will the answers be?
 

xcross

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Wilson was always supposed to be the backup on this team and he really doesn't have much more experience than Kealey. He should be happy that he'll get to play at least half the games, probably more. And as for the #3 goalie in the system, if you mean St. Germain, I think he may have quit hockey.


#3 is a kid named Jesse Shoeman according to the pointstreak roster. But he won't get called up. He's in Almonte !
 

valleydude

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lies from the management is probably the best explanation for the goalie situation in Kanata, the downfall continuing supposedly cobbold gone as well. skinner not being moved yet can only mean they are not going to be nice to him I'm sure theres a few ojhl teams as well looking for a top notch goalie. what is there plan anyone know? I doubt it because it is unthinkable this early in the season. but hence you look at the eojhl team manager affiliatted with and they are doing the exact same (selling off players)
brings up lots of questions ???????? what will the answers be?

I think that's an unfair statement. Having dealt with Jeff Hawkins a few times he comes across as one of the most honest and straight up guys in the EOJHL. If you know specifically that he lied to someone then OK, you know and I don't. But if he did that would be out of character from what I have seen.
 

BackBringCam

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Kanata is a disaster, the problem I'm sure is the new owner John Hill puppet master and hatchet man who takes the title of Director of hockey Ops and thinks he's Scotty Bowman dicates everything. No doubt Dewan quit because of this as well as Hawkins being in over his head. Looks like the kids are the ones paying for it unfortunate for the ones who can't get dealt out of that gong show.
 

jolly roger

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lies from the management is probably the best explanation for the goalie situation in Kanata, the downfall continuing supposedly cobbold gone as well. skinner not being moved yet can only mean they are not going to be nice to him I'm sure theres a few ojhl teams as well looking for a top notch goalie. what is there plan anyone know? I doubt it because it is unthinkable this early in the season. but hence you look at the eojhl team manager affiliatted with and they are doing the exact same (selling off players)
brings up lots of questions ???????? what will the answers be?

Of course the age-old answer from clueless fake hockey experts is to start blaming or moving the goalies to come up with a reason for their own shortcomings. I hope Skinner finds a good team. Watching these guys operate makes your skin boil. Moving guys into that position who aren't ready makes it even worse. They get excited for the opportunity until the rubber starts flying into the net. Then they become the next reason given for someone else's failures.
 

valleydude

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Of course the age-old answer from clueless fake hockey experts is to start blaming or moving the goalies to come up with a reason for their own shortcomings. I hope Skinner finds a good team. Watching these guys operate makes your skin boil. Moving guys into that position who aren't ready makes it even worse. They get excited for the opportunity until the rubber starts flying into the net. Then they become the next reason given for someone else's failures.

At what point did someone blame the current goalies for the problems in Kanata. All I see is a 19 year old goalie realizing that playing on a poor team won't get him where he wants to be and asking to be traded. It's no different than Stortz not reporting after the trade. You come all this way to improve your chances of a good scholarship and if that is not happening, why invest the time and money.

If you are also implying Kealey is not ready, well you will just have to wait and see. I expect him to do very well. There will be bumps, he's only 17 but overall he will be good. The other new player that should be announced soon as part of the CP trade will also be very good.
 

connor macdavid

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John Hill has a PROVEN HISTORY OF SUCCESS at the Junior B level.

I am a FIRM BELIEVER in his ability to build GREAT things in Kanata. Also, GREAT HIRE in Gregg Kennedy. He's raw, unproven, and RARING TO GO.

:handclap: Ballsy Lazers, very BALLSY
 

connor macdavid

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At what point did someone blame the current goalies for the problems in Kanata. All I see is a 19 year old goalie realizing that playing on a poor team won't get him where he wants to be and asking to be traded. It's no different than Stortz not reporting after the trade. You come all this way to improve your chances of a good scholarship and if that is not happening, why invest the time and money.

If you are also implying Kealey is not ready, well you will just have to wait and see. I expect him to do very well. There will be bumps, he's only 17 but overall he will be good. The other new player that should be announced soon as part of the CP trade will also be very good.

There is little to no doubt in my mind that Kealey is going to win the CCHL's version of the Vezina in 2-3 years. Kid had a very bright future. In all seriousness.
 

xcross

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I think that's an unfair statement. Having dealt with Jeff Hawkins a few times he comes across as one of the most honest and straight up guys in the EOJHL. If you know specifically that he lied to someone then OK, you know and I don't. But if he did that would be out of character from what I have seen.

I agree completely. If anything Jeff got a reputation as being a whistle blower because he works within the rules and will not try to circumvent them and hates when teams make up their own rules and try to act like they didn't know better. Sometimes his honesty has cost him.
 

cchltier1fan

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IMO a lot of players make the mistake believing they need to be on a top team to get noticed by NCAA. If that was the case the lower end teams would never have anyone commit, all the lower level teams have players commit every season. In many cases playing on a lower level team gives them the ice time and opportunity to showcase themselves they would not get on a top team. As a player you need to play to get noticed and if you are not playing regularly you are not improving.

I do though believe that it hurts a goaltender since their numbers will suffer but the real good goalies still move on even when on a weaker team. As a skater your #'s are probably going to be better.
 

Radagast

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IMO a lot of players make the mistake believing they need to be on a top team to get noticed by NCAA. If that was the case the lower end teams would never have anyone commit, all the lower level teams have players commit every season. In many cases playing on a lower level team gives them the ice time and opportunity to showcase themselves they would not get on a top team. As a player you need to play to get noticed and if you are not playing regularly you are not improving.

I do though believe that it hurts a goaltender since their numbers will suffer but the real good goalies still move on even when on a weaker team. As a skater your #'s are probably going to be better.

I agree with you in principle, especially with goaltenders. Teams should look for the diamonds at the bottom of league's mine. Cole could be one of those kids. Play 45 games where he gets 40+ shots a game could showcase that. He'd have to be very pro-active with video and getting in contact with schools, etc.

I do know Cole from his time in Nova Scotia. He played with a weak team in Major Midget for three years and I guess he grew tired of that.

In reality, teams are poor at doing real work to scout players on weaker teams. It takes time and effort to do that, and most don't want to invest in the long term view. They look for the pay-off immediately.

Patrick Roy is the great example of goalie that by numbers should never have gotten a chance out of Major Junior, but he honed his craft getting a ton of shots every game (and very few wins). In his entire junior career, he only played (and lost) one play-off game, I believe.
 

hockeyonice

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If i was in the same situation as hill and hawkins i think i would do exactly the same thing. I would trade players if they don't want to be there. I would want players giving it every shift. And if i was a player on kanata i would relish the opportunity to showcase my abilities. In their 10 games kanata has lost 9 yes but 6 of those games were by 1 goal (3 being in ot & so) and yes maybe badly outshot but what a chance for some guys to step up into new roles (powerplay, penalty kill) etc. We'll see shortly and hope the kids can ignore whats happening around them and get out on the ice and kick ass
 

ottawafan66

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If i was in the same situation as hill and hawkins i think i would do exactly the same thing. I would trade players if they don't want to be there. I would want players giving it every shift. And if i was a player on kanata i would relish the opportunity to showcase my abilities. In their 10 games kanata has lost 9 yes but 6 of those games were by 1 goal (3 being in ot & so) and yes maybe badly outshot but what a chance for some guys to step up into new roles (powerplay, penalty kill) etc. We'll see shortly and hope the kids can ignore whats happening around them and get out on the ice and kick ass

For the record, I don't think Skinner asked to be traded because of how crappy Kanata is. After Dewan left, Hill and Hawkins told him that he would no longer be the starter and would be platooning with the new guy (it's all about development apparently). Skinner deserves to be a starter in this league...no question.
 

valleydude

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For the record, I don't think Skinner asked to be traded because of how crappy Kanata is. After Dewan left, Hill and Hawkins told him that he would no longer be the starter and would be platooning with the new guy (it's all about development apparently). Skinner deserves to be a starter in this league...no question.

That makes perfect sense. If you are rebuilding, why would you not platoon your goalie of the future.

And if you are 19 trying to get a a scholarship, why would you not ask to be traded to either a winner or at least a team that will get you playing time and/or visibility.
 

Radagast

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This doesn't make sense. Skinner might actually get less time in the net than if he'd stayed in Kanata. Maybe it really was about winning.

Without a doubt, he'll get less time and probably no playoff time. He'll have no showcase for his collegiate aspirations and his value as an over-ager in the league next year could be limited. It is a very tough situation, as he'll have to be "lights out" right from the gate or he'll be lucky to get 10 games this year.
 

ottawafan66

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Without a doubt, he'll get less time and probably no playoff time. He'll have no showcase for his collegiate aspirations and his value as an over-ager in the league next year could be limited. It is a very tough situation, as he'll have to be "lights out" right from the gate or he'll be lucky to get 10 games this year.

Unless he's looking towards next year, where he would almost definitely be the starter.
 

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