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[cbjthrowaway]

I don’t care if he’s shooting 80%. He’s showing some good offense overall but much more imprortant he brings a toughness the Jackets otherwise totally lack. I mean 100% lack.

i mean, this is just patently false.

i get that some of these guys are injured, but you can't say a team that has gudbranson, voronkov and jenner isn't tough.

i'd even argue they have more tough young guys than just about any other team (elick, sillinger, malatesta, lindstrom… even fantilli + jiricek could be named here).

Keep Olivier even though I know not getting that 3rd round pick will be devastating

st. louis got a 1st + a better bottom sixer for ryan reaves + a 2nd. nashville got an entire draft for tanner jeannot. washington used garnet hathaway to sweeten the haul they got for orlov.

in all three cases, the team that traded the player away got a good return + the player got massively overpaid on their next deal.

again, i really like olivier, and i would be happy if they kept him around. but smart teams sell high and don't overpay for shooting benders or bottom sixers.

 

[VT]

I don’t care if he’s shooting 80%. He’s showing some good offense overall but much more imprortant he brings a toughness the Jackets otherwise totally lack. I mean 100% lack. Keep Olivier even though I know not getting that 3rd round pick will be devastating

Now Olivier has high price. Btw, he's French Canadian, so we could get good price from Montreal. I think they have two or three first round draft picks, one in the second thanks to us min and lot of talented players. So maybe we could get a spot in the second round. And use it in the trade.
Of course, I'd like to keep Mathieu, but GM may think differently.

 

[EspenK]

Would be so insanely stupid if they trade Olivier

I agree but if someone was dumb enough to take him unextended and perhaps there was an under the radar agreement that we would re-sign him as a free agent then depending on the return I'd consider it.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I agree but if someone was dumb enough to take him unextended and perhaps there was an under the radar agreement that we would re-sign him as a free agent then depending on the return I'd consider it.

olivier + a mid-round pick for a late first, then re-signing him this summer?

 

[stevo61]

I agree but if someone was dumb enough to take him unextended and perhaps there was an under the radar agreement that we would re-sign him as a free agent then depending on the return I'd consider it.

It's rare but it happens. Would rather not risk it but if it did go down that way I wouldn't be too upset. From the deadline until he actually came back I'd be pretty pissed though

 

[Viqsi]

Obviously, signing Olivier to a good extension should be the goal but if nothing can be done there then getting a Jeannot size haul for him isn't a terrible option. We don't have a second for the next two years.

I wouldn't set my expectations that high, but if someone is crazy enough to offer it...

 

[Viqsi]

Severson played well with Christiansen and poorly with Provorov... Obviously the solution is play him with Johnson

If you have Christian-Severson set, then how do you arrange Werenski/Provorov/Fabbro?

Severson and Provorov both seem to be very needy partner-wise and that's really messing with our ability to configure our blueline.

 

[Viqsi]

again, i really like olivier, and i would be happy if they kept him around. but smart teams sell high and don't overpay for shooting benders or bottom sixers.

If those are the only two plausible options, then, yes, the right choice is obvious IMO. But I suspect the situation is more nuanced than that.

 

[stevo61]

If you have Christian-Severson set, then how do you arrange Werenski/Provorov/Fabbro?

Severson and Provorov both seem to be very needy partner-wise and that's really messing with our ability to configure our blueline.

Seems simple to me. For the greater good of the entire defense you leave Werenski-Provorov Christiansen-Severson alone. You can move Fabbro up when Provorov is dealt

 

[Viqsi]

Seems simple to me. For the greater good of the entire defense you leave Werenski-Provorov Christiansen-Severson alone. You can move Fabbro up when Provorov is dealt

If that's what we're looking at I'd rather move Provorov immediately and stick with Werenski-Fabbro.

And that still doesn't give us a clear direction for the third pairing.

 

[stevo61]

If that's what we're looking at I'd rather move Provorov immediately and stick with Werenski-Fabbro.

And that still doesn't give us a clear direction for the third pairing.

Eh, still think it clearly gives us the best combo as a whole for the defense and keeps a positive look at Provorov until he's dealt.

 

[thebus88]

listen, i love olivier, he's a great tough guy and has grown a ton of as a hockey player. great in the room, too. would love to keep him around for the right price.

but he's shooting 30% so far this season. he's the kind of guy who teams overpay for via trade and overpay to keep when it comes time to sign them.

i'm not saying they should trade him, but until he signs an extension, as a pending UFA on a hot streak he is absolutely someone they should take calls on.

Essentially, how he’s playing offensively is just the cherry on top. He’s not needed and wouldnt be kept around for his offense or anything to do with his shooting %.

That said, part of his shooting percentage being so high, is because he is a pretty smart player and willing to attack the net and get shots from in close.

He’s proving/proven he’s more than a “fighter”, and that’s all that matters. If he’s reluctant to re-sign or tells the team he’s going to UFA, obviously things change, but , other than that there is ZERO reason to look to move on from him.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859346275520725056

 

[cbjthrowaway]

If those are the only two plausible options, then, yes, the right choice is obvious IMO. But I suspect the situation is more nuanced than that.

i love olivier but i'd bristle at anything above a $2.5m aav on an extension. quality fourth liners are still fourth liners.

speaking of fourth liners, i've been loving aston reese's game here. would love for them to keep him around, and i doubt he'd cost more than olivier is making on his current deal.

 

[squashmaple]

If you have Christian-Severson set, then how do you arrange Werenski/Provorov/Fabbro?

Severson and Provorov both seem to be very needy partner-wise and that's really messing with our ability to configure our blueline.

Easy. You send Provorov to Edmonton.

 

[punk_o_holic]

I don't think it would be insanely stupid. Might not be the smartest idea to trade him, but he is a UFA after this season, if the team doesn't plan on resigning him, may as well get something for him

Or if he says he wants to explore free agency before he commits to Columbus then yeah get something for him than losing him for nothing. Tell him still interested but want to acquire assets. Plus, he goes to a contender and has a chance at the Cup. Only downside is he enjoys his new team/city and signs with them or playing in the playoffs made a playoff team his priority over Columbus.

 

[CBJx614]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859278308325904811

 

[Viqsi]

i love olivier but i'd bristle at anything above a $2.5m aav on an extension. quality fourth liners are still fourth liners.

speaking of fourth liners, i've been loving aston reese's game here. would love for them to keep him around, and i doubt he'd cost more than olivier is making on his current deal.

I think Olivier has done better than "fourth line", but otherwise that's probably fair.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Now Olivier has high price. Btw, he's French Canadian, so we could get good price from Montreal. I think they have two or three first round draft picks, one in the second thanks to us min and lot of talented players. So maybe we could get a spot in the second round. And use it in the trade.
Of course, I'd like to keep Mathieu, but GM may think differently.

Fair points on his French Canadian angle, but wouldn’t the Habs be more in seller mode than buyer mode?

 

[VT]

Fair points on his French Canadian angle, but wouldn’t the Habs be more in seller mode than buyer mode?

But Olivier is a player whom need the most teams.
They can trade Armia, Dvorak if only forwards.
Also look at standing, Montreal is 3 points
Montreal is 3 points behind Buffalo. Like us. They will fight. A winning culture isn't created by selling out players, it's created by fighting to the end, gradually changing roles in the team. If Sillinger had played the 2021/22 season in the AHL instead of the NHL, it might have helped his development more. It's not for nothing that Waddell said that youngsters should play in the NHL only when they are ready.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859615287521300986

 

[NotCommitted]

I was really skeptical of the Olivier signing initially but he quickly won me over once I saw he can actually play hockey.

As for potentially trading him, I get both sides of the argument, he is the kind of guy teams potentially overpay (maybe there's a reason for that though?), but then again CBJ is not exactly struggling with cap and IMO at this point any decision they make should not be based on perceived "value" but what's actually making the team better. And there's many things that play into that.

If someone offers a pick for Olivier that seems like an overpay, that might be really good "value"... but it also might be a bit like a hungry person being offered $100 worth of stock in a potato farm for a bag of potatoes. That's great value but doesn't really feed the person, and who knows what the value of that stock will be in 5 years. I really outdid myself with this analogy, sorry about that

 

[CannonFire1]

Olivier is only 27 and brings so much value to the bottom 6. Barring an overwhelming trade offer, he should be extended.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

Olivier is only 27 and brings so much value to the bottom 6. Barring an overwhelming trade offer, he should be extended.

What if Tampa offers their 1st through 5th round picks?

 

[CBJWerenski8]