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[Double-Shift Lasse]

Protect. Get open . Catch.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Seedtype]

Zach winning the Norris would be sick.

 

[stevo61]

Zach winning the Norris would be sick.

He's having that caliber of season but unfortunately Cale Makar exists. Maybe someone will have to Tonya Harding him

 

[CannonFire1]

What if Tampa offers their 1st through 5th round picks?

Tampa doesn't have 1st or 3rd rounders this year, so I would decline that offer.

If they did, and they offered it, that would qualify as overwhelming.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Tampa doesn't have 1st or 3rd rounders this year, so I would decline that offer.

If they did, and they offered it, that would qualify as overwhelming.

this is what OP was referencing

imo if they can get something like a 2nd + 4th for him, it's doable. jackets can then turn around and offer similar draft capital to a cap-strapped team for a more impactful forward.

conjuring up a scenario where the jackets get a 2nd for olivier at the deadline, then flip it at the draft to bring back bjorkstrand

 

[spintheblackcircle]

He's having that caliber of season but unfortunately Cale Makar exists. Maybe someone will have to Tonya Harding him

Yep, he's being the Brad Park to Bobby Orr.

 

[CannonFire1]

this is what OP was referencing

imo if they can get something like a 2nd + 4th for him, it's doable. jackets can then turn around and offer similar draft capital to a cap-strapped team for a more impactful forward.

conjuring up a scenario where the jackets get a 2nd for olivier at the deadline, then flip it at the draft to bring back bjorkstrand

I respectfully disagree. Would rather have Olivier for the next 3-4 years than some later round magic beans that may make the team 4-5 years from now.

I also think it is highly unlikely that a 2nd round pick would return Bjorkstrand.

Extra picks certainly have value and I'm not in the crowd that says CBJ has enough prospects. Just saying I wouldn't trade Olivier for mid to late round picks.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I respectfully disagree. Would rather have Olivier for the next 3-4 years than some later round magic beans that may make the team 4-5 years from now.

i'm not saying i'd rather have olivier than a second round prospect.

i'm saying that trading olivier to a contender that is desperate to add toughness could net a draft asset that could be flipped at the draft for an immediate improvement higher in the lineup.

making the fourth line worse to improve a top-three line is good business. there's no shortage of quality fourth liners. aston-reese has been awesome, danforth and kuraly are more than serviceable, and malatesta could be up soon.

I also think it is highly unlikely that a 2nd round pick would return Bjorkstrand.

it was a hypothetical.

that said, seattle's going to be cap-strapped. last time bjorky was on a cap-strapped team, he was moved… for a package built around a second-rounder. and he's older now, with less term left. it's not at all out of the question.

Extra picks certainly have value and I'm not in the crowd that says CBJ has enough prospects. Just saying I wouldn't trade Olivier for mid to late round picks.

i'd argue that the jackets don't get value out of making the picks, but they get a ton of value out of having the picks as it gives them capital to trade and easy levers to pull to improve the roster right now.

assets + cap space = huge opportunity to improve the roster immediately via trades.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Waddell has been watching closely every aspect of the Blue Jackets organization. He has his coach in place after hiring Dean Evason a month into his Columbus tenure. Now, as his first season unfolds, he’s watching the roster closely, admiring the young talent and trying to figure out which veterans will be part of the mix going forward.

This may take some time, but that’s not because Waddell plans to slow-roll it. To the contrary.

“I like a lot of the young guys,” Waddell said. “We hope they continue to grow. It’s an important year for them to keep maturing, not only as players but as people. If they do that, we’re in pretty good shape for the future.

“Saying that, we’re going to have to add some more pieces next summer; we know that. Going into next summer, we’re going to have lots of cap space. We’re not going to waste it, we’re going to spend it wisely. We’ve already started talking about what areas we need to identify.”

Waddell wasn’t out of work long, but he believes he’s landed well. He’s knee-deep in another project, trying to get the Blue Jackets to achieve the same sustained success as the Hurricanes, but perhaps with more postseason success.

“I was really excited by the opportunity here right from the moment I heard from the Blue Jackets, honestly,” Waddell said. “And it’s been everything I’d hoped and more. The city is great. The fans have been great. The players have played hard almost every night.

“We’ve been through some stuff, some rough patches (on the ice). But I really love it here. It’s been a perfect fit.”

Get ready for an active few months here

 

[cbjthrowaway]

just throwing it out there because it was lost in the KJ/werenski/monahan stuff from last night. there's another forward on this roster who is absolutely flying under the radar right now.

i was curious, so i went ahead and pulled some data for a blind comp.

one of these is a current CBJ forward's pace for this season. the other two are standout seasons from two former CBJ forwards.

	Player A	Player B	Player C
Stat line (82-game adjusted)	17-37–54	13-39–52	13-47–60
Removing PP stats	12-31–43	13-39–52	11-35–46
Shooting %	8.5%	7.3%	11.9%
TOI/GP	18:47	18:06	18:23

i adjusted each stat line for 82 games. without looking, can anyone guess which is which?

 

[MoeBartoli]

just throwing it out there because it was lost in the KJ/werenski/monahan stuff from last night. there's another forward on this roster who is absolutely flying under the radar right now.

i was curious, so i went ahead and pulled some data for a blind comp.

one of these is a current CBJ forward's pace for this season. the other two are standout seasons from two former CBJ forwards.

	Player A	Player B	Player C
Stat line (82-game adjusted)	17-37–54	13-39–52	13-47–60
Removing PP stats	12-31–43	13-39–52	11-35–46
Shooting %	8.5%	7.3%	11.9%
TOI/GP	18:47	18:06	18:23

i adjusted each stat line for 82 games. without looking, can anyone guess which is which?

I know player B is Roslovic just because I know he’s had no PP points

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I know player B is Roslovic just because I know he’s had no PP points

i can confirm that player B is not, in fact, jack roslovic.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

just throwing it out there because it was lost in the KJ/werenski/monahan stuff from last night. there's another forward on this roster who is absolutely flying under the radar right now.

i was curious, so i went ahead and pulled some data for a blind comp.

one of these is a current CBJ forward's pace for this season. the other two are standout seasons from two former CBJ forwards.

	Player A	Player B	Player C
Stat line (82-game adjusted)	17-37–54	13-39–52	13-47–60
Removing PP stats	12-31–43	13-39–52	11-35–46
Shooting %	8.5%	7.3%	11.9%
TOI/GP	18:47	18:06	18:23

i adjusted each stat line for 82 games. without looking, can anyone guess which is which?

B might be Sillinger? He's the one I'd say has been flying under the radar and I just assume that the stat with no PP points would be related to the under-the-radar player.

The other two... former CBJ forwards, you say? Atkinson comes to mind, since he plays in Tampa? Or is this a centre thing? Maybe Dubois is C and A is Roslovic? Beats me.

EDIT: I said Roslovic because the only other centre of note I can think of is Fedorov. Carter and the words "standout season" I don't think will ever be in the same sentence when describing his time in Columbus.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

B might be Sillinger? He's the one I'd say has been flying under the radar and I just assume that the stat with no PP points would be related to the under-the-radar player.

The other two... former CBJ forwards, you say? Atkinson comes to mind, since he plays in Tampa? Or is this a centre thing? Maybe Dubois is C and A is Roslovic? Beats me.

EDIT: I said Roslovic because the only other centre of note I can think of is Fedorov. Carter and the words "standout season" I don't think will ever be in the same sentence when describing his time in Columbus.

you got B correct – it is indeed cole sillinger this season.

• he's being used as a matchup forward and seems to be getting the hardest matchups of any CBJ forward (last night was against kucherov)
• he hasn't exactly been given linemates who light it up (lots of pyyhtia and now olivier) – players A and C had significantly stronger linemates imo
• his stats are more impressive when you factor in the whole "zero power play points" thing

i'd argue that, given that context, sillinger's season (so far obviously) compares extremely favorably to players A and C.

as far as who players A and C could be, i'll tell you that neither of them are roslovic, dubois, atkinson, fedorov or carter. hint: both played center, and both made the playoffs in those seasons.

 

[Viqsi]

you got B correct – it is indeed cole sillinger this season.

• he's being used as a matchup forward and seems to be getting the hardest matchups of any CBJ forward (last night was against kucherov)
• he hasn't exactly been given linemates who light it up (lots of pyyhtia and now olivier) – players A and C had significantly stronger linemates imo
• his stats are more impressive when you factor in the whole "zero power play points" thing

i'd argue that, given that context, sillinger's season (so far obviously) compares extremely favorably to players A and C.

as far as who players A and C could be, i'll tell you that neither of them are roslovic, dubois, atkinson, fedorov or carter. hint: both played center, and both made the playoffs in those seasons.

If it doesn't have to be this season, then I'd guess one of them is Antoine Vermette - probably C. I don't know about the other.

EDIT: I looked at Vermette's historic stats and I am wrong.

EDIT 2: Reading the hints that much more closely, I'm going to hazard another guess because it'd be just the perfect "gotcha" name - Brandon Dubinsky.

EDIT 3: I am wrong again and will stop guessing now.

EDIT 4: I couldn't stop there. But this time I looked before posting the guess. Accordingly I'm not posting it. But it's one that should have occurred to me earlier for similar "has a hatedom in the fanbase" reasons.
Also, I think I failed at math.

EDIT 5: Spoilering it because I looked.

Spoiler

I already guessed Dubinsky and decided I'd gotten it wrong, but then I re-realized the stats were explicitly 82-game adjusted, and so now I suspect his 2013-14 season actually applies. So I was wrong about being wrong? Maybe?

The other, I believe, is 2016-17 Alexander Wennberg.

 

[Monk]

just throwing it out there because it was lost in the KJ/werenski/monahan stuff from last night. there's another forward on this roster who is absolutely flying under the radar right now.

i was curious, so i went ahead and pulled some data for a blind comp.

one of these is a current CBJ forward's pace for this season. the other two are standout seasons from two former CBJ forwards.

	Player A	Player B	Player C
Stat line (82-game adjusted)	17-37–54	13-39–52	13-47–60
Removing PP stats	12-31–43	13-39–52	11-35–46
Shooting %	8.5%	7.3%	11.9%
TOI/GP	18:47	18:06	18:23

i adjusted each stat line for 82 games. without looking, can anyone guess which is which?

Is one of them Espen Knutsen? Maybe player C.

I want one of them to be Manny but don't think he ever scored that much.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

EDIT 5: Spoilering it because I looked.

Spoiler

I already guessed Dubinsky and decided I'd gotten it wrong, but then I re-realized the stats were explicitly 82-game adjusted, and so now I suspect his 2013-14 season actually applies. So I was wrong about being wrong? Maybe?

The other, I believe, is 2016-17 Alexander Wennberg.

DING DING DING!

imo the best season of both those guys' careers. both guys got huge contracts after those seasons, too.

cole sillinger is on pace to have a better season than those two seasons while being younger than both (5+ years younger than Player A was), while playing matchup minutes, having less scoring support, and being on a cheap multi-year contract already.

cannot stress how impressive that is – one could argue that he is already a borderline 2C based on production and context. the eye test doesn't necessarily back that up, but we need to reboot the "cole sillinger is a future 2C" narrative.

 

[Viqsi]

DING DING DING!

imo the best season of both those guys' careers. both guys got huge contracts after those seasons, too.

cole sillinger is on pace to have a better season than those two seasons while being younger than both (5+ years younger than Player A was), while playing matchup minutes, having less scoring support, and being on a cheap multi-year contract already.

cannot stress how impressive that is – one could argue that he is already a borderline 2C based on production and context. the eye test doesn't necessarily back that up, but we need to reboot the "cole sillinger is a future 2C" narrative.

In reply I offer the following spoilered comments since they're too hinty:

Sillinger doesn't

Spoiler

annoy Certain People We Hate

the same way A did, though, so I don't think he's got any chance at being nearly as beloved. Probably not as hated as C, tho, since

Spoiler

he actually shoots the puck

. I wouldn't even have minded bringing C back even tho

Spoiler

we're still paying him

.

 

[Cowumbus]

just throwing it out there because it was lost in the KJ/werenski/monahan stuff from last night. there's another forward on this roster who is absolutely flying under the radar right now.

i was curious, so i went ahead and pulled some data for a blind comp.

one of these is a current CBJ forward's pace for this season. the other two are standout seasons from two former CBJ forwards.

	Player A	Player B	Player C
Stat line (82-game adjusted)	17-37–54	13-39–52	13-47–60
Removing PP stats	12-31–43	13-39–52	11-35–46
Shooting %	8.5%	7.3%	11.9%
TOI/GP	18:47	18:06	18:23

i adjusted each stat line for 82 games. without looking, can anyone guess which is which?

What are their 5v5 stats?

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I may have missed if anything has been said, but has there been a time-line on Gudbranson's return?

 

[Xoggz22]

I may have missed if anything has been said, but has there been a time-line on Gudbranson's return?

I have not heard anything beyond "long term". I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't season ending or at the best case, a return in March

 

[MoeBartoli]

This morning I went back for a look at the summer moves Waddell made soon upon his arrival. He moved on from many guys who’d not locked down spots or been in and out of the line-up. The list included Bean, Boqvist, Texier, Nylander, Meyer and Blankenburg among others.

I had questions about a couple of these moves. However, looking at how the season has gone for each player conforms to me Waddell knew what he was doing. Everyone mentioned has been either in and out of their team’s line-up or buried in the AHL. Maybe with a couple of these guys we lost some depth that could have aided Cleveland, but no one who would change this team’s trajectory. What it did was trim the glut in some positions. So hats off to Waddell on his early work.

 

[koteka]

i adjusted each stat line for 82 games. without looking, can anyone guess which is which?

This board needs more posts like this. Thank you.

Another point in his favor, Sillinger actually stays healthy, which is an oddity on the Jackets. He played 79 games as a rookie, 75 games between Columbus and the Monsters in 22-23, and 77 games last year.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

What are their 5v5 stats?

possession-wise? caveating that those are team/deployment dependent, but:

5v5 stats	CF%	xGF%	GF/60	GA/60	P/60	Most common linemates
13-14 Dubinsky	52.19%	53.34%	2.62	1.95	1.95	Atkinson Calvert
16-17 Wennberg	51.58%	51.13%	2.33	2.19	1.57	Foligno Saad
24-25 Sillinger	45.49%	41.08%	2.43	4.13	1.70	Pyyhtia Fantilli

some added context:

• dubinsky and wennberg both had prime bobrovsky in net, while sillinger has elvis/tarasov this year – absolutely massive impact on the GA numbers
• the 13-14 and 16-17 teams were way better than this one

the underlying possession numbers show that the sillinger line isn't consistently winning its minutes, which… shouldn't exactly come as a surprise given that he's being deployed against other teams' top lines (kucherov the other night, for example) and is still super young.

and again, I'm comparing sillinger's age-21 season to dubinsky's age-27 season.

the main takeaway here is that for all the bellyaching on this board about sillinger the last two-plus years, he's on pace for a 50+ point season at 21 while playing matchup minutes. that's firmly "borderline 2C right now" territory with plenty of runway to improve from there.