Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI
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Doggy
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I think everyone projecting Ceulemans based on his performance at Wisky are rushing to judgement. He was a key player on an absolutely train wreck of a team for two seasons that appeared to have no structure. I really don't know how Granato bounces back from this negative mark on his resume. We know CC has lots of physical traits and skill necessary to be a top four NHL defenseman and it's all a matter of development.
Personally I am withholding judgement on his future until we see him play in the AHL for a season under the watchful tutelage of CBJ coaches.
Personally I am withholding judgement on his future until we see him play in the AHL for a season under the watchful tutelage of CBJ coaches.
Hes going to take time but there is also a lot to like as you mention. The defense wasnt always pretty but hes big, can skate, has a big shot and he can be creative with the puck. I tried watching a couple of their games and it was not enjoyable but he atleast stood out and was heavily relied upon. They were down late in 1 specific game and on the PP and his partner lost the puck or mishandled it multiple times leading to it being dumped down the ice which led to Ceulemans bringing it back up the ice to do it all again. I can see why Columbus wanted to get him signed, I dont doubt that they wanted to get control of his development. I still like the upside but its not unfair to at the very least say Svozil has shot past him comfortably. Hes only 20 and if he doesnt really hit his stride until 22/23 or even 25 thats fine for a defenseman and I personally wont knock him too far down the rankings just because hes projected to take a bit longer
Sorry to nitpick: your list is a U24 list, not a U23, for the same reason that the U20 WJC is a tournament for teenagers and not 20 year olds.
I do agree that a U23 or U24 (or U25) list gives a much better sense of an org's future than a prospect list.
By the way, I looked up Texier in the dictionary and it now says "insanely underrated". We missed him badly. Outside of Fantilli, these forwards ought to be glad if they can play as well as Texier has. That includes Marchenko and Sillinger.
I have a much bigger gap between Dumais and Svozil - Svozil ought to be right up there with Mateychuk (higher, in my estimation), and Dumais closer to Ceulemans. We should be thrilled if Dumais becomes as valuable as Texier.
Kraťas od dědy mu přetrhal vazy. Svozil o pozici v Columbusu i MS v Praze - iDNES.cz
Dobíhal míček, který mu dědeček zasadil krátce za síť. Zasekla se mu noha, křupla mu z obou stran a lehl. Hokejový obránce Stanislav Svozil před klíčovou sezonou léčí přetrhané vazy v kotníku. „Ještě to není úplně stoprocentní, jsem tak na 93 procentech, na ledě mě ale nic nebolí,“ upřesňuje.
Edit. and btw that injury occured in late May
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That is extremely concerning to me personally.
I ruptured the posterior tibialis tendon in my left ankle (it's the tendon that stabilizes the inside of your ankle, connecting your tibia to the arch of your foot) in summer 2021 and it's never really recovered. But I also can't afford surgery or the time off to get surgery. I can skate with no issues, even backwards, but on dry ground my foot doesn't flex properly anymore and I can't wear high heels. I also deal with pronation issues and sometimes my left foot drags. Sometimes my foot is so hot and swollen even now I can't wear shoes.
The initial injury was a horrible crunching feeling and I absolutely laid right down when it happened (my elderly cat tripped me two steps from the bottom of my stairs and I landed hard flat-footed, then immediately melted to the floor). It was described to me like if a compound cable all split apart in the middle while still being connected at both ends.
I would expect a professional athlete to get all the care necessary to treat this injury properly--resources that I couldn't dream of accessing--but it's still horrible news.
I ruptured the posterior tibialis tendon in my left ankle (it's the tendon that stabilizes the inside of your ankle, connecting your tibia to the arch of your foot) in summer 2021 and it's never really recovered. But I also can't afford surgery or the time off to get surgery. I can skate with no issues, even backwards, but on dry ground my foot doesn't flex properly anymore and I can't wear high heels. I also deal with pronation issues and sometimes my left foot drags. Sometimes my foot is so hot and swollen even now I can't wear shoes.
The initial injury was a horrible crunching feeling and I absolutely laid right down when it happened (my elderly cat tripped me two steps from the bottom of my stairs and I landed hard flat-footed, then immediately melted to the floor). It was described to me like if a compound cable all split apart in the middle while still being connected at both ends.
I would expect a professional athlete to get all the care necessary to treat this injury properly--resources that I couldn't dream of accessing--but it's still horrible news.
Cowumbus
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I didn’t realize that our 7th round pick Oiva Keskinen was an overage player.
He wasn’t invited to Finland’s u20 camp, which is not surprising.
He wasn’t invited to Finland’s u20 camp, which is not surprising.
Yes, sadly this probably means he's not really going to work out. We can always hope but time is not on his side...
But just like his uncle, his office on the PP is behind the net... Passes don't fall far from the tree it seems. (Sadly YouTube doesn't really have much 90s era Liiga it seems so I can't link anything. My nostalgic heart is bleeding right now.)
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Just for my own entertainment I started thinking about potential Traverse City roster and Monsters lineup for 2023-24...
In TC we could have:
Malatesta - DBB - Dumais
Pyyhtia - Voronkov - Pinelli
Peddle - McKown - Butler
Angle - AHL guy - AHL guy
+random camp invitee...
Svozil - Ceulemans
OJBH - Mateychuk
Knazko - AHL guy
.....
Greaves
Lalonde
???
I assume Fantilli skips the tournament because of his special status. Jiricek is viewed so close to NHL-ready he might not be attending anymore. I added Svozil but I'm not sure if he'll be there either, he's gone through this two times already IIRC.
NCAA commitment prevents participation for Brindley, Whitelaw and Strathmann, correct?
Also not expecting any Euro and Russian player to come over (Makarov, Ivanov, Dolzhenkov, Keskinen, Strahl).
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23/24 Monsters at the start of season:
Pyyhtia - C. Sillinger - TFW
Malatesta - McKown - Meyer
Gaunce - DBB - Butler
O. Sillinger - Dunne - Angle
+some of those who don't make the NHL roster or are borderline AHLers (Bemstrom, Foudy, Voronkov, Chinakhov, Ahcan, Gaudet...)
Svozil - Jiricek
Christiansen - Bjork
Knazko - Ceulemans
Sweezey
+maybe one of NHL D who won't survive the final cut in camp (Blankenburg only waiver exempt).
Greaves
Cajan
UFA?
Let me know if I forgot somebody....
In TC we could have:
Malatesta - DBB - Dumais
Pyyhtia - Voronkov - Pinelli
Peddle - McKown - Butler
Angle - AHL guy - AHL guy
+random camp invitee...
Svozil - Ceulemans
OJBH - Mateychuk
Knazko - AHL guy
.....
Greaves
Lalonde
???
I assume Fantilli skips the tournament because of his special status. Jiricek is viewed so close to NHL-ready he might not be attending anymore. I added Svozil but I'm not sure if he'll be there either, he's gone through this two times already IIRC.
NCAA commitment prevents participation for Brindley, Whitelaw and Strathmann, correct?
Also not expecting any Euro and Russian player to come over (Makarov, Ivanov, Dolzhenkov, Keskinen, Strahl).
--------
23/24 Monsters at the start of season:
Pyyhtia - C. Sillinger - TFW
Malatesta - McKown - Meyer
Gaunce - DBB - Butler
O. Sillinger - Dunne - Angle
+some of those who don't make the NHL roster or are borderline AHLers (Bemstrom, Foudy, Voronkov, Chinakhov, Ahcan, Gaudet...)
Svozil - Jiricek
Christiansen - Bjork
Knazko - Ceulemans
Sweezey
+maybe one of NHL D who won't survive the final cut in camp (Blankenburg only waiver exempt).
Greaves
Cajan
UFA?
Let me know if I forgot somebody....
Rysavy is pretty much the only Traverse name I can think of off the top on my head. I dont know what his next season looks like. Elite prospects seem to be under the impression he's going back to MJ for an overage season
Oh, I assumed Rysavy and Boyd were no longer part of CBJ since they haven't been signed within two years after the draft.
Xoggz22
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Rysavy has another year. I believe drafted out of Europe and then came to CHL. Either way, he's still CBJ property - although I'm not sure he'll get a contract. Seems too average and give the contract number and prospect depth he may only be an AHL player. I'd like to see him stick around but I'm 50:50 on that happening right now.
Elite prospects shows Rysavy as in the system and capfriendly shows both.
there was actually a 1st Ohio Battery interview from 3 weeks ago where he says he doesnt know where he'll be playing this year yet as he hasnt signed his ELC. Im not sure whats up with the rights there
Ah yeah, Xoggz is right. They should have 4 years with his rights I think.
Xoggz22
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This would likely be my list as well. Maybe Voronkov a little higher because I think he has some skills that will translate, and are needed, to the NHL and seems, seems, like lower risk to make it. The others have higher ceilings (in his ranking area) but also, to me, have higher risk.
This is identical to mine up to 6. Id flip Voronkov with Malatesta and have to think on Dumais. I dont know who Id put at 10 though, maybe LDBB but probably not
This should be a good season to see what we have in LDBB, he should get lots of good minutes in Cleveland.
Fro
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I guess I wouldn't mind it, even if it means he will be stealing the spotlight from some other guys I won't be able to see play that often next year.
Personally I wouldn't necessarily send Jiricek and Svozil there. Better to minimize risks and save their bodies for preseason games.
I get that none of of recent picks are Fantilli level but they all went including top picks like Dubois, Jiricek and Johnson. A 2nd go around for Jiricek makes less sense and if Svozil has any lingering issues with that ankle injury he shouldnt go either. Its just a good chance for the kids to get on the ice and hit the ground running at the big camp. Im assuming a Babcock camp will be tougher than a Larsen camp
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Can't wait to see him in the fall. I feel like he is going to be a fan and locker room favorite.
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